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You are Zero Hedge and I claim my £5.
I got out of Bitcoin and other cryptos when I analysed the energy requirements. My sell price was £13k.
I retired at Easter.
Phil Clarke
Thankfully, Trump is not that gullible
GC, your hero does not read any science, let alone reviews from 2006. Not so much gullible as pig ignorant.
HTH.5
Phil Clarke
Really Phil? - you think a journalist ? - nothing to do with The Muslim Brotherhood and the tangled, murderous power games going on in the Middle East ? - the utterly implacable enmity between the assorted players?
Usama Bin Laden didn't fly those jets - he promoted the scheme but didn't do the deed and got his desserts.
You might possibly recall the attempt to blow up the WTC towers from ground level some time before the successful attack? I vaguely recall DJT calling for a round-up of religious loons in the wake of the car park bombs - but my recollection is not 100% - I don't recall him naming bin Laden. I do recall thinking that DJT's criticism of the relatively lame efforts of the American authorities might have some basis in Saudi influence as KSA nationals and sometime residents were a large part of the crew involved - and there were links to The Siege of Mecca - if you want to talk about thousands of dead in one event .... there is an undertow in all this - and some history is important - although I doubt that you'd bother to even look.
tomo
Nov 19, 2018 at 11:00 PM | Phil Clarke
The problem for anybody reading Climate Science reports, is that 97% of the authors are wrong, as all the attempts to "prove" Mann's Hockey Stick have shown.
There is no reason for Trump to continue to fund Climate Science "get rich quick schemes".
If Climate Science became capable of reporting honestly, politicians and the public might consider that some of it had merit.
Harvey et al remains a triumph by Climate Science for setting out unreliable sources, so that others may be judged.
golf charlie
"Not so much gullible as pig ignorant.
Nov 19, 2018 at 11:00 PM | Phil Clarke"
Climate Scientists have had their snouts in the trough for far too long, and gobbled up all the money.
golf charlie
Where oh where are the massed ranks of criticism here for Ivanka Trump's impersonation of Hillary regarding using a private email server for government business? A deafening silence.
Supertroll
Nov 20, 2018 at 12:36 PM | Supertroll
How good an impersonation of St Hillary was it? How do we know St Hillary wasn't impersonating Ivanka to trick Trump?
On second thoughts, as Trump doesn't drink or do drugs, he would be unlikely to mistake the two.
golf charlie
ST
Not much of an impersonation is it ? - care to expand ?
Having been driving earlier I hear the BBC positively drooling over it .... but it s not the same at all is it?
Ivanka's communications are apparently all neatly archived and open to scrutiny.
Trump Chalk vs. mouldy, putrid old Clinton cheese (mostly the pong in public at the moment - but some laxative has been applied)
tomo
yup .... I suspect that Jimbo won't be the toast of the press bar.
the new rules - pretty much same as the old rules except that seemingly mandatory ticket punch for going off on one.
although this has considerable comedy potential:
1. Call on Jim Acosta first
2. Let him ask questions until he's done
3. After he has monopolized the entire press conference, end it
4. Next press conference, call on Jim Acosta first
tomo
Nov 20, 2018 at 3:30 PM | tomo
I am surprised there was not some form of Code of Conduct before. Hopefully it will be named as a tribute to Acosta or CNN.
There is nothing to stop Acosta from being questioned by other journalists inside or outside The White House, about his reliance on Steele's Dodgy Dossier. Trump has accused Acosta and CNN of representing and presenting Fake News
golf charlie
Supertroll,
When Comey or Hillary Clinton use a private email server for Government business, that's post-worthy.
When a Trump does it ....
Nothing to see here.
Got it?
Phil Clarke
Ooops. Nearly forgot....
Lock her up!
Phil Clarke
Phil Clarke, how do you feel about US Funded Climate Scientists being locked up? Far better if they are defunded and forgotten.
golf charlie
There could be, however, a blank spot in Kushner’s communications. Splinter has confirmed that Kushner downloaded an encrypted messaging application that permits users to send disappearing messages. The app, Signal, is one of a set of secure apps that have become popular among journalists and political operatives hoping to communicate securely and confidentially—and, if they choose, without a trace. The use of the app by White House officials has the potential to undermine the Presidential Records Act.
Lock him up !
Phil Clarke
Phil Clarke
very little if anything on the internet is entirely secret - where devices are, what software is being used and where the devices are connected to have been subjects of intense mapping (and recording) effort for decades (look up Gordon Welchman and Fiona Onasanya ). The above info is in many cases more useful than the content. The Lavabit tale is also useful background. Nellie Ohr is a radio amateur who needs multiple satellite dishes in her back garden - riight....
I suggest you check out Surveillance Valley as a primer on the topic. Given that the Trump inner circle was a subject of targeted, intense surveillance in the run up to 2016 - If there was anything there do you think Mueller wouldn't have tried to use it ?
It will be interesting to see if the details and evidence for/of the purported Chinese compromise of her garage PCs firms up The Chinese have been spectacularly successful in penetrating sloppily set up US systems. What is clear is that HRC's team was panicked and sought to destroy the evidence - that was already a subject of a subpoena.
It is too easy to view the kerfuffle as chaff put up about substantive questions that HRC has been avoiding with the help of some people at the FBI/DOJ - which are wending their way through the US courts....
I haven't yet seen / heard of a Trump staffer pleading the 5th Amendment - let alone 125 consecutive times.... whaddya make of that?
tomo
Phil
did you see the provenance of Splinter News ? - I'd wager they don't pay salaries in Bolivars.
tomo
Oooh, look! Mr Trump was not the first! Who knew?
(Listen to what he says, too...)
Radical Rodent
Where oh where are the massed ranks of criticism here for Ivanka Trump's impersonation of Hillary regarding using a private email server for government business? A deafening silence.
Nov 20, 2018 at 12:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll
A bit of perspective please?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't aware that Ivanka had any role other than as an "advisor", which is probably just a way for The President to give her some secretarial job on the government payroll. Nepotistic? Maybe, depending on your attitudes. But employing family is generally much less frowned upon in the US than in the UK. Was this menial employee fully aware of the rules? I don't know, but it's believable that she was that ignorant or casually lazy. I wonder if Michelle Obama followed the correct procedures when ordering new curtains for the White House? [I don't suppose she was charged with email-ordering bizarrely expensive "pizza" from other parts of the country when it was against White House protocol. lol] Either way, Ivanka is probably not in charge of much state business that she would not learn anyway through unrecorded conversations and activities as a family member. I would say that probably makes her less of a security risk than most others.
But Hillary Clinton, by contrast, was US Secretary of State. A very senior position and responsibility in the US Government. Formally in charge of many high level state secrets and policies. And supposedly accountable for them. She was repeatedly told and warned by junior officials and the FBI that she was breaking the rules. President Obama reportedly used to shake his head in frustration when told of her misdemeanors. But she ignored them all. She should be serving a long prison sentence for that alone.
Frankly, I don't see the two cases as being at all similar. You just make yourself sound like Phil Clarke and the BBC combined by trying to conflate the two.
michael hart
Nov 21, 2018 at 12:44 AM | Radical Rodent
That is an excellent example of Obama throwing someone out of The White House, so he could carry on without heckling and hostility, whilst maintaining a very happy atmosphere, for those who were very proud and happy to be there and hear what he had to say.
It took a while for his people to respond.
golf charlie
Advisor to the President is a menial role? Got that, in future I shall endeavour to envisage the First Daughter wearing a pair of Marigolds. Remember also that she shared the account with her husband. Good luck portraying him as any kind of 'secretary'.
The entire planet knows the Donald unloaded on Hillary over her use of a personal email account for Government business every chance he got, he made it a central part of his campaign to the delight of his baying mob. Anyone claiming, apparently with a straight face, that his own daughter might not have known the rules instantly reduces their credibilty to nil.
You miss the point so comprehensively it must be deliberate. Nobody is saying the two offences are the same, how could they be? But neither are they completely disparate. Trump and Clinton both broke the same rules, they both claim not to have knowingly handled confidential material.
You are of the view that Clinton deserves a long jail sentence, even though an FBI enquiry found her not guilty of any criminal activity.
Lot of talk around here about the biased 'leftie MSM.'
But when it emerged that James Comey had also used a personal email account for business, that was shared here posthaste. But a Trump doing the same thing is very much the dog that didn't bark.
Some might say the credentials of BH itself as a place to find objective and impartial commentary just took a bit of a knock. I could not possibly comment.
Phil Clarke
Advisor to the President is a menial role? Got that, in future I shall endeavour to envisage the First Daughter wearing a pair of Marigolds. Remember also that she shared the account with her husband. Good luck portraying him as any kind of 'secretary'.
The entire planet knows the Donald unloaded on Hillary over her use of a personal email account for Government business every chance he got, he made it a central part of his campaign to the delight of his baying mob. Anyone claiming, apparently with a straight face, that his own daughter might not have known the rules instantly reduces their credibilty to nil.
You miss the point so comprehensively it must be deliberate. Nobody is saying the two offences are the same, how could they be? But neither are they completely disparate. Trump and Clinton both broke the same rules, they both claim not to have knowingly handled confidential material. You are of the view that Clinton deserves a long jail sentence, even though an FBI enquiry found her not guilty of any criminal activity.
Lot of talk around here about the biased 'leftie MSM.'
But when it emerged that James Comey had also used a personal email account for business, that was shared here posthaste. Then a Trump doing the same thing is very much the dog that didn't bark.
Pot, kettle.
Phil Clarke
Nov 21, 2018 at 10:10 AM | Phil Clarke
You seem to be ignoring the fraud lies and corruption of Clinton and Climate Science that fit into each other like a pick pocket's hand into someone else's wallet.
Are you one of the elite beneficiaries?
golf charlie
"A majority of US economists now forecast a recession, some say as early as next year, most predict a downturn in 2020."
Nov 19, 2018 at 10:16 PM | Phil Clarke
Were they the same US Economists who bought the Stern Report based on claims about Global Warming?
Thankfully, Trump is not that gullible.