tomo, it is reassuring to know that these Court Cases for fraud, deception etc are continuing, whilst the Official Inquiry has been able to hear the traumatic accounts of survivors, relatives and even some of the people who died.

Fraudsters accounted for much of the delay in confirming the true death toll. Why were these fraudsters able to carry on for 8 months?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44351567
The experts' reports highlighted:

Most of the fire doors at the entrance to the 120 flats had been replaced in 2011 but neither they or the original doors still left in place complied with fire test evidence

The lifts failed to perform effectively, hindering the transportation of firefighting equipment and creating an "unnecessary risk" to residents who could not use it to escape

The fire service had to pump its own water into Grenfell Tower - the building's "dry fire main" system was "non-compliant" with guidance at the time of construction and is "non-compliant with current standards"

The smoke control system did not operate correctly, reducing the ability to improve both escape and firefighting conditions

A lack of regulations requiring a central alarm system in residential buildings such as Grenfell Tower

Existing building guidelines and tests allow "obvious dangers" to be incorporated into cladding systems routinely

An "architecture crown" fitting at the top of the tower caught alight and fell down, allowing the fire to move around the tower not just up

tomo,

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/05/dangerous-building-works-turned-grenfell-tower-death-trap-inquiry

"Grenfell Tower was turned into a “death trap” by a dangerous and reprehensible refurbishment carried out by Kensington and Chelsea council and the local tenant management organisation (TMO), the inquiry into the fire has been told.

The accusation came as commercial firms responsible for the work came under pressure to end their effective silence and participate more actively in the investigation."

ALL those involved with design and construction, including the "Client", have been told to keep quiet, to avoid admitting anything that may constitute an admission of any liability at all. So far, none have given any evidence that has been made public, apart from saying that they were relying on something that someone else had relied on.

Under UK Law, there is no such thing as "Pleading the 5th Amendment"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

UaT. By your reference to the renegade Somerlet (source of the Ironlands of Game of Thrones?) do you preach rebellion 'gainst fair Nicola (first lord of Riaghaltas na h-Alba)? Remember he was slain by Scottish hands and is now mistaken for a typing error.

Sorry last post severely misplaced.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44799319

"The fire room control manager who chose to abandon the "stay put" policy during the Grenfell fire said it was the first time such a decision had been made.

★The "stay-put" advice to residents was in place until 02:47 BST - nearly two hours after the fire started.★

But Jo Smith told an inquiry it was altered within 15 minutes of her arrival at the control room.

She said information being fed to her led her to believe residents "had no way of waiting to be rescued".

A "stay put" policy is based on the theory that buildings can be designed to prevent fire spreading, so a blaze in one flat should not be able to spread to another.

But expert reports submitted to the inquiry suggest that since 1974, major changes to Grenfell Tower destroyed that protection."

Aug 30, 2018 at 4:48 PM | tomo
Kensington and Chelsea were not alone in having inadequate procedures to check references.

" ........has me wondering who the effing scammers are..... "

Sep 21, 2018 at 8:19 PM | tomo

Amongst the chaos, carnage, tragedy, sympathy and intense media interest, it is understandable that mistakes were made in rehousing scammers for a week or two. How many were rumbled then, and turfed out, without criminal prosecution?

tomo,

by now, it should be possible to determine:

a) how many individuals/families were legally able to declare Grenfell Tower as their home, ie the place where they lived, with a Tenancy Agreement

b) how many lived in Grenfell, and regarded it as their home, but had no legal Tenancy Agreement

c) how many claimed to live in Grenfell, with or without a Tenancy Agreement, but didn't.

Those who actually lived in Grenfell Tower whether they had any Legal entitlement to or not, WERE made Homeless by the Fire. If HMG has said those made Homeless will be rehoused with costs initially falling to HMG, then the numbers will never match perfectly.

The fact that the numbers are so far from matching, does suggest that some flats in this multiple occupancy building were themselves in multiple occupancy. If so, how much rent was being paid to, or claimed by some of the Legal Tenants/Sub Tenants? How many Central/Local Government funded Agencies were aware, but deliberately ignoring the multiple occupancy of single flats?

tomo, you open up a box of sardine tins, and each crammed tin is full of more cans of worms.

ALL politicians that have tried to take advantage of this tragedy, have ended up exposing themselves and their Parties to ridicule and accusations.

The Police and Legal system came in for so much criticism for the delays in confirming the number of deaths, and subsequently the identities of the victims.

Many politicians and those on the Central/Local Government Payroll knew that their incompetence, lack of due diligence and enthusiam for London's Housing Crisis, was to blame for adding to the tragedy.

At some point, an investigative reporter should compile a Spreadsheet listing the Flats by Number, with the details of the holder of the Legal Tenancy Agreement with KCTMO. That is Columns 1 and 2 sorted, and the Police and Fire and Rescue Services should have had that information supplied to them by KCMTO with the click of a mouse.

Column 3. Was the Legal Tenant ACTUALLY living there? Yes or No? If No, go to Column 4

Column 4. Who was actually living there?

Column 5 Did KCTMO know about the sub let of the flat?

Column 5 Who did know about the Sub Let,i n any capacity in a position of Authority?

Column 6 Were Benefits, Housing etc being paid by Govt Agencies to support any Sub Tenancy?

The list of Columns could go on and on. But do the same Names, Agents and Govt Agencies keep cropping up?

How much UK Taxpayer money was being paid to the occupants of each flat?

If you want a Political Angle, how many people in Grenfell Tower were registered to Vote, and how many had requested a Postal Vote?

Sharife Elouahab. The BBC reports it here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46109333
"Elouahabi received support worth about £103,476 for accommodation and financial assistance between 23 June 2017 and 25 June 2018, the Metropolitan Police said."

The Irish News has something the BBC don't
http://www.irishnews.com/news/uknews/2018/11/07/news/fraudsters-tried-to-claim-more-than-600-000-meant-for-survivors-of-grenfell-disaster-1479094/

●So far, 13 people have been convicted in separate cases, with a total of more than £630,000 in bogus claims for money that was meant for those whose lives had been devastated.●

I don't know whether this was all Government funding, or included Charitable Donations.
Elouabi had £100,000 in 12 months, so if the other 12 "only" had £500,000 in about the same time period, he may have been exceptional.

These FRAUDSTERS do offer some ballpark guesstimates of the monthly spend on those genuinely made Homeless by this tragedy.