Discussion > A Change in Climate Thinking - Part Of The New Great Awakening
US Taxpayers will be very pleased.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/15/pres-trumps-pick-to-replace-sec-of-state-tillerson-is-a-bigger-climate-denier/
“It’s good news for us,” said Myron Ebell, a leading proponent of climate change denial and a director at the right wing Competitive Enterprise Institute. “I expect very good things from him at the State Department.”
Ebell, who led Trump’s transition at the Environmental Protection Agency, said he hopes Pompeo will convince the president to withdraw the U.S. from the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, completely ending all U.S. participation in climate talks.
Phil Clarke, are you and other members of the UK Green Party, being funded by Russians?
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/03/russia-was-feeding-green-anti-frack-campaigns-so-it-can-get-rich-selling-gas-to-snowflakes/
"The Western media was apoplectic about Russia!Trump!Hillary! but apparently missed the real game. Behind the scenes, the Russians were feeding the eco-gullibles “Frack-hate” campaigns in the UK and elsewhere in the hope of curbing the threat Fracking posed to Russian gas exports. It’s paying off — British people are buying Russian gas."
I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Green Party. I have never voted Green, I have never attended any Green Party meeting or other event. I have never donated to the Green Party.
Clear?
Clear?
Mar 16, 2018 at 10:28 AM | Phil Clarke
No. Why do you type such badly hought out rubbish then? Try and explain one inconvenient error that you can't see, but everyone else can:
What caused Crown of Thorns Starfish to multiply before Mann invented Global Warming?
You promoted the Crown of Thorns Starfish as proof of Global Warming, and quoted experts. One simple question, and you run away abandoning your rubbish, for someone else to clear up.
What is YOUR legacy to the environment, and the scientific environment?
You promoted the Crown of Thorns Starfish as proof of Global Warming, and quoted experts
Where did I?
Or do we need to add the Global Reef Project and the Director of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies to the spouters of tosh?
Mar 14, 2018 at 5:14 PM | Phil Clarke
Yes.
Why is Climate Science facing extinguishment?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/16/claim-businesses-must-work-harder-to-regain-the-trust-of-greens/If business leaders want to regain our trust, they must act on climate risk
The Guardian, Ian Dunlop
"Empty rhetoric from corporates is not enough as climate change is accelerating far faster than expected
Business leaders seem astonished that community trust in their activitiesisat an all-time low, trending toward the bottom of the barrel inhabited by politicians. To the corporate leader dedicated to the capitalist, market economy success story of the last 50 years, that attitude is no doubt incomprehensible and downright ungrateful."
Nobody trusts Greens. Any Corporate Leader who gains the trust of Greens, must have made at least one big mistake.
Phil Clarke, the full text is here, but the final comment could have been written for you.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/16/the-climate-dictionary/
Finally, we have the IPCC Likelihood Scale:
Virtually certain – “All my cool scientist friends agree”.
Very likely – “We really hope this is true”.
Likely – “Two climate models out of three agree”.
About as likely as not – “Nobody has a clue”.
Unlikely – “This outcome offends us”.
Very unlikely – “We really don’t want you going down that path”.
Exceptionally unlikely – “Stephen McIntyre said it first so it can’t possibly be true.”
Empty rhetoric from corporates is not enough as climate change is accelerating far faster than expectedGC: I would like to know against what metric to they apply that logic – how fast was it expected to accelerate? Against what are they measuring this acceleration? And is it necessarily for the bad? Also, in which direction? And, whichever way it changes, will it always be for the bad? (Certainly, cooling will be, but that is only my opinion – but it is an opinion based upon observable history.)
While there are unlikely to be any answers to those questions, if there are, those answers will not be credible. But it certainly highlights the utter stupidity of this whole farrago and its acolytes, especially this obsession that we must somehow rigidly follow, never mind believe – or even agree with – the Green mantra.
For those, like Entropic man and Mr Clarke, who insists that we “think of the chiiiildren!” (or even the "grandchiiiildren!"), why do they not review what their parents and grandparents did for us: perhaps they should be condemning them for leading us to this situation?
We are now where our ancestors dreamt of, most of us enjoying an unimaginable wealth, well-fed, well-clothed and warm; travelling to wherever we want whenever we want; able to communicate instantly to whoever we want, wherever in the world they may be. Perhaps more importantly, for the first time in human history, we are in a situation where we can eradicate poverty. Sadly, we are not taking up that mantle; we are actually in the process of increasing poverty by the stupidity of the gullible in following the AGW mantra. We are applying the inverse of the teaching of William Boetcker: we are weakening the strong, we are tearing down the big men, we are destroying the rich, we are pulling down the wage-payer, we are spending more than our income, we are inciting class hatreds, living off borrowed money, destroying initiative and independence, and insisting that we are “helping” by doing for others what they could and should do for themselves.
“Stephen McIntyre said it first so it can’t possibly be true.”
- Willis Eschenbach
"A few days ago, I became aware that the long-sought Yamal measurement data had materialized at Briffa’s website – after many years of effort on my part and nearly 10 years after its original use in Briffa (2000)".
- McIntrye, whining again about 'stonewalling'
"Steve has an amnesia. I had sent him these data at February 2, 2004 on his demand.
Respected dendrochronologist, Rashit Hantemirov exposes McIntrye's deception. (rhymes with 'liar', pleasingly).
It was, of course, the same Hantemirov who took exception to McIntyre's abuse of the data he supplied
Steve, I’m horrified by your slipshod work. You did not define what you compare, what dataset used in each case, how data were processed, and what was the reason for that, what limitation there are, what kind of additional information you need to know. Why didn’t you ask me for all the details? You even aren’t ashamed of using information from stolen letters.There's a multitude of reasons why people don't trust the Auditor…..Do carelessness, grubbiness, dishonourableness are the necessary concomitants of your job?
With disrespect…
https://deepclimate.org/2010/11/16/replication-and-due-diligence-wegman-style/
https://archive.is/HrRvO
Mar 17, 2018 at 11:17 AM | Phil Clarke
Why wasn't the data made available in 2000? How do you know the data was supplied when requested 4 years late? Did McIntyre "demand" the data, or ask for it politely?
Deep Climate has not found any mistakes in Climate Science so no more reliable than any of the other incompetents.
Have you run away from the Crown of Thorns Starfish, now that you realise you have been relying on liars again?
Wouldn't you be better off trying to work out which bits of Climate Science are worth saving, as all you are doing is flagging up the rubbish for disposal
"The original data for the Yamal series came from two Russian researchers (Rashit Hantemirov and Stepan Shiyatov), and was given to CRU for collation with other tree-ring reconstructions (Briffa, 2000). As a small part of that paper, Briffa reprocessed the raw Yamal data with the regional curve standardisation (RCS) technique. The Russians published their version of the chronology with a different standardization a little later (Hantemirov and Shiyatov, 2002). McIntyre is accusing Briffa of ‘deception’ in stating that he did not ‘consider’ doing a larger more regional reconstruction at that time. However, it is clear from the 2000 paper that the point was to show hemispheric coherence across multiple tree ring records, not to create regional chronologies. Nothing was being ‘deceptively’ hidden and the Yamal curve is only a small part of the paper in any case.Another little appreciated fact: When McIntyre started to get interested in this, he asked Briffa for the underlying measurement data from Yamal and two other locations whose reconstructions were used in Osborn and Briffa (2006). In May 2006, Briffa politely replied:
Steve these data were produced by Swedish and Russian colleagues – will pass on your message to them
cheers, KeithBriffa was conforming to the standard protocol that directs people to the originators of data series for access to the underlying data, as opposed to the reconstructions which had been archived with the paper. McIntyre expressed great exasperation at this point, which is odd because in email 1548, McIntyre is quoted (from Sep 26, 2009 (and note the divergence in post URL and actual title)):
A few days ago, I became aware that the long-sought Yamal measurement data url had materialized at Briffa’s website – after many years of effort on my part and nearly 10 years after its original use in Briffa (2000).
To which Rashit Hantemirov responds:
Steve has an amnesia. I had sent him these data at February 2, 2004 on his demand.
Thus at the time McIntyre was haranguing Briffa and Osborn, McIntyre had actually had the raw Yamal data for over 2 years (again, unmentioned on Climate Audit), and he had had them for over 5 years when he declared that he had finally got them in 2009 (immediately prior to his accusations (again false) against Briffa of inappropriate selection of trees in his Yamal chronology).
McIntyre, McIntrye pants on fire.
In Climate Science, failures keep getting paid more
http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.dzb7xdet.dpbs
Fails The Test Of Science”: Another Rahmstorf/Mann Horror Climate Scenario Gets Assigned To The Dustbin
By P Gosselin on 16. March 2018
PIK alarm story fails the test of science: Jet Stream will also meander as usual in the future
By Dr. Sebastian Lüning and Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt
(German text translated by P Gosselin)
Almost one year ago the Potsdam PIK Institute put out a press release, which warned of stalling Jet Stream waves. Due to man-made climate warming weather extremes would remain stuck in a position longer. Among the messengers of the alarm were Stefan Rahmstorf and hockey stick fabricator Michael E. Mann."
For those, like Entropic man and Mr Clarke, who insists thaat we “think of the chiiiildren!grandchiiiildren!"), why do they not review what their parents and grandparents did for us: perhaps they should be condemning them for leading us to this situation?
Mar 17, 2018 at 9:50 AM | Radical Rodent
The thing abot Phil Clarke is that he lies like a Green, and denies like a Green.
Electorates do not choose to trust Greens.
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/03/green-druid-di-natale-blames-cars-rocks-mean-people-for-causing-cat-2-cyclones-they-said-would-happen-less/
The voters smacked the Greens yesterday, so today the Greens smack the voters. Richard Di Natale, Green Chieftain, blames the recent spate of storms and fires for the governments failure to change the global weather.
The Australian
The Greens have blamed the federal government’s failure to address climate change for a cyclone and bushfires which have ravaged communities across Australia over the past 48 hours.
Cyclone Marcus has swept across the Northern Territory, bringing down power lines and hundreds of trees in what Chief Minister Michael Gunner described as the biggest storm to hit the Top End in 30 years.
In Tathra on the NSW South Coast, at least 70 properties have been destroyed, while thousands of hectares of farmland, livestock and 18 homes have been lost in four blazes which were started by lightning strikes across South West Victoria
In an anti-coal speech in the Senate today, Greens leader Richard Di Natale said the government had been doing “everything it can to slow this country’s transition to renewable energy”.
–Joe Kelly, Andrew Burrell
Hee, hee, Hantemirov. Let's see his tax return.
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Phil likely doesn't know himself from where the 'support' slushes. Corruption always recovers, propaganda fertilizes.
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Kim, hey, where've you been? Much missed.
Heh, thanks mh; I've just been resting. Despite the efforts of the Phil Clarke's of the world, climate and energy policy discussions are returning to reality, and there seems less urgency in my need to comment; what I've had to say is being said better by others than by me, now.
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"Despite the efforts of the Phil Clarke's of the world, climate and energy policy discussions are returning to reality... "
Apr 1, 2018 at 10:20 PM | kim
Surely you meant:
"BECAUSE OF the efforts of the Phil Clarke's of the world, climate and energy policy discussions are returning to reality..."?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/09/countries-100-renewable-energy-by-2050/
Apr 1, 2018 at 11:21 PM | Phil Clarke
That only confirms that Trump is right because Green diktats are doomed to fail.
Mr Clarke, what will be done in these countries that are 100% “renewable” when the Sun is not shining and the wind is not blowing? Somehow, I suspect that this figure of 100% will be proven to be a lie, as so much is, around the myth of anthropogenic climate change.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/mar/26/study-wind-and-solar-can-power-most-of-the-united-states
The Great Awakening in Climate Science is starting in the US EPA.
Spotting some of Climate Science's biggest con tricks, should be easy. All they have to do is follow the Green Smear and Slime Trail of mass destruction of science back to its sources.
http://www.conservapedia.com/William_M._Connolley
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/14/willia-connolley-now-climate-topic-banned-at-wikipedia/