Discussion > Correspondence with Claire Perry MP BEIS
Update: As Perry did not leave any references for her claims I googled the 42% drop in emissions and found this document put out by BEIS. (2016 UK GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, PROVISIONAL FIGURES). Seems I have some reading to do....sigh
And, as the document points out, the numbers are 'estimates'. Take from that what you will.
But a 42% decrease in 28 years is nearly half. I wish I'd had the foresight to ask Perry when the changes in temperature will come as a result of the drop. And what the change will be.
I state why that CO2 calculation are trash
But firstly isn't it strange that well into 2018 the minister is quoting PROVISIONAL figs from 2016 ?
the BS alarm is pinging
The Gov "Clean Growth Strategy Oct 2017 states
Since 1990, we have cut emissions by 42% while our economy has grown by two-thirds3.It gives a reference
This means that we have reduced emissions faster than any other G7 nation,
while leading the G7 group of countries in growth in national income over this period4.
BEIS (2017) BEIS provisional UK emissions statistics 1990 to 2016
Why would you not use FINAL stats from 2018 ?
gov.uk/government/collections/final-uk-greenhouse-gas-emissions-national-statistics
They themselves only reference 2016 data
1990-2016 ALL emissions change -41%
..................CO2 .............................-36%
Something interesting of the 8 categories , what's the trend
well 2015-16 4 categories ROSE by 4%
Hence the lack of interest in 2017, 2018 ?
So Perry's
PR Trick #1 is Cherry pick your start -end dates
PR Trick #2 is Obfuscation 'emissions fell by 42%'
...most people would assume that means CO2
The failure to emphasise it's ALL emissions, equals deception by omission =FakeNews
Plus I bet they don't include water vapour , so are not really ALL ems
Such calculations are probably subject to scope for trickery
... I assume they don't account for water vapour
and they must be guessing about methane leaks and losses etc.
Is there some standard system for accounting for different levels of potency of different GHGs ?
PR Trick #3 is Swamp you with BS
@Harry's letter was too long for this age of Twitter, nevertheless he did ask specific questions
but instead of answering them point by point like we engineers would ..she just swamps us with a multitude of PR points.
I haven't got time right now to look at Harry's first letter but lets rebut Perry's letter
#1 I agree with Harry that she clearly doesn't understand the broken window fallacy
more subsidized biz like wind/solar can only make more costs for an economy
Since there are no unicorns to pay the subsidies, theyre paid by us ALL cos the subsidy is paid for by increasing the general price of electricity so increasing what we pay for everything the shop/government/charity
The more solar/wind on an electricity network, the more the subsidy cost, the higher the leccy bill for a hospital..the less nurses they can employ
I looked her reply band made a few comments..my comments are in brackets
(she says)
The UK is a world leader in cutting emissions while growing the economy.
(#PioneerFallacy, it's no good wasting money on being world leader, being late is more efficient, cos you don't copy the pioneer's mistakes)
Provisional statistics indicate that UK emissions in 2016 were 42 per cent lower than in 1990 and 6 per cent below those in 2015.
(Mickey Mouse accounting whereby a lot more CO2 is REALLY emitted but biofuel discounted immediately to zero that on the premise over the next 20 years it will be reabsorbed by new growth)
At the same time, the UK’s GDP has increased by 67 per cent since 1990 showing that a strong, growing economy can go hand in hand with reduced emissions.
(Only "real term" counts, not that gained by inflation/currency)
AND You understand the #BrokenWindowFallacy ?
If you smash your window, that means you need to spend more money,
so you can say that extra expense makes the economy bigger,
but actually there is no real benefit
So yes one reason our GDP is bigger is cos GOV POLICY has increased the price of energy.)
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The global transition to a low carbon economy offers huge growth opportunities which the UK is well placed to take advantage of as a core element of our lndustrial Strategy.
(#PioneerFallacy)
Our low carbon sector already employs over 230,000 people directly and another 200,000 through supply chains.
(“Employ more by using teaspoons instead of shovels” fallacy)
Analysis for the Committee on Climate Change estimated that the low carbon economy has the potential to grow 11 per cent per year between 2015 and 2030 – four times faster than the rest of the economy.
(Magical thinking)
I would like to thank your constituent for including the article which I read with interest.
(LIAR .. if you'd read it you would have referenced the points within it )
Offshore wind can play an important role in the energy mix alongside new nuclear and new gas into the next decade and beyond.
(Anything SUBSIDISED makes the nation poorer)
Offshore wind costs continue to fall faster than anyone could have predicted.
(Wacky Generalisation, it would be easy to find people who predicted costs falling quicker)
The dramatic reduction in the cost of offshore wind is an example of how business innovation can be supported through effective market design.
(Tosh you have no evidence that gov tinkering , has increased Windbiz innovation)
The Government will continue to work closely with the offshore wind industry to further drive down the costs of clean power, while building UK supply chains.
("UK supply chains" the very protectionism libEstab smear Trump with)
(There is no evidence that gov tinkering "drive down the costs "
"Clean Power" is a FFing buzzword ..Wind/Solar are NOT "Clean" per MWh generated
The material/energy for them has to be mined, they take up so much acreage and roadways )
I would like to assure your constituent that the Government does recognise concerns over bills.
(platitude... Prove it)
Her Majesty’s Government (HMG) is taking action to control electricity prices using the energy review, so that the Government and regulators can continue to deliver secure, affordable power, while ensuring the UK meets íts domestic and international climate targets.
(Main question is why is UK slave to ridiculous targets , when competitors like Germany are NOT ?)
Thank you again for taking the time to write. I hope you and your constituent find this information useful.
("Useful" yes it shows you lot are clueless and design energy policy that suits Putin/Russia )
If you haven't already - torment yourself with CP holding forth at the Royal Geographical Society.
Listen to the whole thing.....
An exasperating parade of contrived deluded dishonest tosh.
I shudder to think what kind of ecoloon group-think atmosphere pervades Ms. Perry's organisation.
I do also wonder at how many ex NGO Bryony Worthington wannabes are still getting plump civil service remuneration in well appointed London offices parking their precious butts on £1000 Herman Miller chairs planning their next beach breaks after a bit of climate missionary "work".
Let us also not forget that madam credulously delivered an opening speech praising the UK's "first subsidy free solar power station" - she's shameless when it comes to talking up Green kerrapp..
As a result of a post on NALOPKT about wind price hikes I wrote to Claire Perry, the Minister responsible to get her thoughts. As, at time of writing, I cannot reproduce these letters on NALOPKT, I hope Paul will not mind if I park them here for now.
I first wrote:
She replied thus:
To which I have replied thus: