Heh, everything's in black and white. Future researchers will be amazed that the Piltdown Mann's credibility lasted as long as it did, just as we are amazed at how long the Piltdown Man controversy went on. Ironically, but maybe not, some of the reasons for the persistence of each of those precious fragments of false science resemble each other.
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When 'Great Tits' Cope With Warming

Dolphins clever enough to use sponges as tools deal with climate change better, study finds

Money well spent?

It's almost twenty years ago...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/12/one-of-the-longest-running-climate-prediction-blunders-has-disappeared-from-the-internet/

So who are we to believe? For a final word, I turned to the greatest climate change scientist of all, Dr David Viner, one-time senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, who predicted in 2000 that, within a few years, winter snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event".

However, he was trapped under a glacier in Stockport, so was unable to comment at the time the Telegraph went to press

https://www.xdtalk.com/threads/a-brit-writers-wry-take-on-climate-change.275343/

Hurling the still-beating heart of the chicken into a shallow copper salver, Professor Sutton inhaled the aroma of burning incense, then told the Telegraph: “The seven towers of Agamemnon tremble. Much is the discord in the latitude of Gemini. When, when cry the sirens of doom and love. Speckly showers on Tuesday.”

Back in 2000, a prediction of the imminent demise of winter snow was predicted by nobody in the literature or IPCC reports. A fact Viner would have known well. Is it just possible he made no such prediction and the journalist spun up a few actual words from Viner into a factually-bollocks filler piece?

Hint: check out which words are actually from Viner and which added by the journalist.

But, hey,when poor quality rentaquote science journalism and comedy is all you have……

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! I and more than 60 undergraduates taking my fossil fuels module heard Dr. Viner repeat his snow demise prediction. So your rank speculations Phil are for naught.

In which case, I stand corrected.

Odd that he was unaware what the actual science said at the time though, eh?

"Odd that he was unaware what the actual science said at the time though, eh?"

Such as?

“Here come de heap big warmy. Bigtime warmy warmy. Is big big hot. Plenty big warm burny hot. Hot! Hot hot! But now not hot. Not hot now. De hot come go, come go. Now Is Coldy Coldy. Is ice. Hot den cold. Frreeeezy ice til hot again. Den de rain. It faaaalllll. Make pasty.”

So it goes.

"Is it just possible he made no such prediction and the journalist spun up a few actual words from Viner into a factually-bollocks filler piece?"

So 'The Independent' is a denialist rag?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-the-independent.pdf

I was born in Scotland Dec 1954 and lived in the shadow of the Ochill hills Clackmannanshire til 1967.

It wasn't unusual to see snow on the hilltops but snow on the ground was "a very rare and exciting event"

sp correction

Ochil o-kill

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=snow+sledges&atb=v104-3_g&ia=web

Back in 2000, a prediction of the imminent demise of winter snow was predicted by nobody in the literature or IPCC reports

So why all the alarmism? What else was 'predicted by nobody'?

So 'The Independent' is a denialist rag?

They got it wrong on this occasion. What is amusing/amazing is just how many times these few selectively quoted words acquired a life of their own, compared to say, the thousands of pages of the IPCC report, which were saying something completely different.

Indeed, but look from where Dr Viner made, and repeated, his utterances warning of snow demise He was, at that time, not my favourite person, having, unsuccessfully, tried to prevent me from using my UEA affiliation when I wrote letters to national newspapers with my sceptical viewpoint. No more snow for little kiddies messages were, on the other hand, apparently perfectly acceptable.

What is most remarkable about the mid-Holocene is that we now have a good understanding of both the global patterns of temperature change during that period and what caused them. It appears clear that changes in Earth's orbit have operated slowly over thousands and millions of years to change the amount of solar radiation reaching each latitudinal band of Earth during each month. These orbital changes can be easily calculated and predict that the Northern Hemisphere should have been warmer than today during the mid-Holocene in the summer and colder in the winter. The combination of warmer summers and colder winters is apparent for some regions in the proxy records and model simulations. There are some important exceptions to this pattern, however, including colder summers in the monsoon regions of Africa and Asia due to stronger monsoons with associated increased cloud cover during the mid-Holocene, and warmer winters at high latitudes due to reduction of winter sea ice cover caused by more summer melting.

In summary, the mid-Holocene, roughly 6,000 years ago, was generally warmer than today during summer in the Northern Hemisphere. In some locations, this could be true for winter as well. Moreover, we clearly know the cause of this natural warming, and we know without doubt that this proven "astronomical" climate forcing mechanism cannot be responsible for the warming over the last 100 years.

Apr 4, 2019 at 4:28 PM | Supertroll

Unfortunately, your factual account does not match Climate Science's Peer Approved version, and failed to be erased or adjusted. Phil Clarke will deny everything.

GC. Give Phil some credit. He did give a highly conditional climb down, dependent upon my recollection not being an outright lie (which would solve a puzzle for him).

The Independent piece was completely out of step with what the mainstream science was saying at the time; along with a grand total of 20 words from Dr Viner it included anecdotal quotes from a toy shop manager, an ice skater and a local historian. The author was not a scientist or science writer, his background is as a human rights worker and freelance journalist covering the Middle East. His article is a classic example of what happens when someone with no expertise in climate science takes a few quotes and a lot of imagination and starts writing about something they know nothing about, and has zero scientific significance. Bit of a curiosity really, but I've lost count of how many times I've seen it cited as evidence of 'alarmism'.

Phil all that you write about the Independent journalist could be correct, but you seem to be accusing him in addition of fibbing. Add to that my claim that he repeated those predictions, and where are you? If Viner refuted those reports, where were his repudiations of those predictions then or subsequently when every British newspaper resuscitated the story together with a space photograph of the entire British Isles completely covered by snow. What a smile generator!

"Bit of a curiosity really, but I've lost count of how many times I've seen it cited as evidence of 'alarmism'.
Apr 5, 2019 at 10:58 AM | Phil Clarke"

How many times have you claimed Climate Science is evidence based and cited other Climate Scientists as corroboration?

Can it be argued by Climate Scientists that you are nothing more than a toy shop manager masquerading as an adjudicator, and therefore all you write here is professional propaganda?

Apr 5, 2019 at 9:56 AM | Supertroll

In Climate Science, truthlessness and ruthlessness are almost indistinguishable. If only they had got honest about Mann's Hockey Stick and not plastered it all over the IPCC and World media, they would not be flailing now.

Phil all that you write about the Independent journalist could be correct, but you seem to be accusing him in addition of fibbing.

Not exactly, he was asked for some copy and he delivered. The shockingly inaccurate headline 'Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past' was almost certainly tacked on by a subeditor, and a denier meme is born. If you want an example of fibbing how about the passing off of the newspaper article as a 'CRU forecast'?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/29/crus-forecast-winter-snowfall-will-become-a-very-rare-and-exciting-event/