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Discussion > FLOP26 Ep10 Skeptical journos talking about Dying Art of Journalism

Talk 10 ​aired on Wednesday 10th Nov about 95 minutes
Direct link to start at minute 10

Notes I jotted : Comments are in brackets are my words or commenters from the livestream

The Dying Art of Journalism with David Rose, Andrew Orlowski (from register to Telegraph),
Rob Lylons (of @spikedonline author of @PanicOnAPlate "Find out. Don't freak out")

They "talk about the dying art of journalism in a week that Sky News announced that it had teamed up with the UK Government's 'Nudge Unit'."

Actually I disagreed with these jurnos quite a lot.

(Livechat commenters are in brackets)

#0 BenPile : As usual we expect COP26 to pretend to catch victory at the last minutes
Greta has radicalised an entire generation of children.
So are journos who fail to align to THE AGENDA dangerous ?
Does researching Green Agenda or questioning putting things into childrens head ..risk causing doom & end of civilisation ?


#1 Shows every front page with a Government Covid line
RL : feudal coverage like waiting for new pope,
then narrative youth care, when youth are big CO2

#2 MSM at new depths
David Rose : "Why was Greta on Marr ? ... she'd already condemned COP
They put her on to fill space cost truth is they are covering up COP is a joke cos no China
"Everyone knows COP26 is A PERFORMANCE !"
"CHOREOGRAPHED faux drama"

"They interview children, cos their is no one else"

(Rose is wrong : BBC News always acts as mouthpiece for Green PR : FOE, GreenPeace etc.
Greta is on, cos she is a PR team putting pressure on BBC
The kids are on too cos of green PR)

(@Tomo : NewsQuest UK frothed eco-PR in the runup via their stable of 200 titles - now it's running .... near silence
... nuked most of the climate critic commenters though )

(Strange these journos didn't mention the influence of green PR)

#2a Andrew "are they not seeing it as TV special event ?
and that makes them more conformist/nervous against reporting reality"

#3 Now press are more interested in covering SLEAZE
RL. The journos sent are political ..so they are doing political gossip
D. Now normal journos are more restricted by gov
so Pesto & BBC's Kuennesberg are the focus of power
and they need to CONFORM or don't get material
(I disagree qns were always gotchas)


#4 Rose : Anthony Bevins would do proper analysis
He knew his stuff, that's gone

(@SG : It's not journos just being stupid
... journos actively try to SHAPE our world instead of reporting REALITY)

#5 So COP is in UK
Ben 'Coverage is conformist or about hypocrisy ..that bit is a new thing'
Andrew "they go for synthetic drama'
(exactly journos, are storytellers, not truth tellers)

Biden/Boris is asleep
Rob : Everyone knows it's preplanned
Media always asking Greenpeace what they think...Ans .."it's not enough"
never ask sketics

Ben "every day is a different king of PERFORMANCE
Transport-Day when they flew ... Gender Day"
(yep)

#6. Rose : Coal.. China 220 MT in one year INCREASE
media don't understand this, they have no perspective
(​Journos are too close to the establishment bubble they are not BASED,
so every granny has better perspective
​even tonight's journos seem bubble-ish)

Ben "Caroline Lucas wants UK to do a huge performance of Net Zero
..and will make other countries follow us"

(libmob is rooted in WHITE GUILT rather real world maths ..so not proper CO saving)
(@gufpott : ​The UK ban on coal is authoritarian.
Coal is the most economic fuel for industry. Bad for other uses, good for industry.
Banning coal deprives the UK economic and reliable energy supply )

#7 Andrew :The media agrees with Lucas, act as COP26 salesman
Greens are stuck saying "crisis/emergency"
So finally government come up with Heat pumps, hydrogen
... These are costly crap ideas
The thing is all this causing TRUTH to be flushed out.
"eat bugs, don't eat meat, don't fly
(these bans = Authoritarian government )

There's no upside for the public
And public realise Greens are misanthropes"

Rose : Mathusians playing main role
Truth is population will peak naturally in 2040-50 so by 2100 popn will be lower
China knows this
and knows tech brings efficiency , so in fact CO2 emissions will drop WITHOUT special laws

#8 Ben : Journo who thinks she "only reports the facts"
Is she deluded ?
US journos in late 20C used to have idea of being impartial

#9 Rose : They have swallowed it, become zealots
Catastrophe sells
​Every single scare media headline, still seems to trace back to the UNREALISTIC RCP 8.5 scenario.
(​ITV local news tonight "we only have 6 years to stay within 1.5C in our area" ... someone made that up
They love catastrophe so go with ridiculous RCP8.5 It's an easy job )
They don't bother asking skeptics,
cos i. that kills the story, ii. get ostracised by GreenBlob that feeds you the stories
as proved in Climategate emails

#10 Ben is it young journos ?
Rob : No look at Harra
Rob : journos want to be saviours and this is an EASY and QUICK way
(​Journos are often Tele-evangelists for Climate doom, and magic salvation)

Rose : Massive climate comms industry
is contradicted by public behaviour
The establishment won't admit this
So PR try harder and harder
(Finally the panel mention the huge Green PR industry)

#11 IPCC science isn't bad
but the policy is way different
The Policy says we are in crisis , the science doesn't
so quoting actual science spoils the msg

Actually science say that gentle mitgation and adaption works OK
so there is opp for young journos.

#12 .
Rose : ​Yep Magical thinking and rule is no debate, cos actually they don't withstand scrutiny
Claims Boris will flip
(nope he wont IMH ... ​It's not a joke the UK is not a very UNSAFE place to invest)
(Paul Butterworth : ​Very hard to reverse gear - whole of government and government contracts tasked with delivering Net Zero. It's embedded.)
(​Yep Magical thinking and rule is no debate, cos actually they don't withstand scrutiny)

#13 Sky Climate show advert
Media working with nudge unit !
FFS !
then nudge in sop operas too
"They are trolling us"

Ben points out the ambush naming trick .. eg "Independent" in NGO's names
(Yes mention the Climate PR army's Ward, Carbon Brief, Futerra etc.)

Nov 17, 2021 at 10:09 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

I have another 5 slides to write up
that's another 35 mins of video

Nov 17, 2021 at 10:11 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen