Missing link from last post

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wind-turbine-plant-to-create-2000-jobs-2282275.html

BBD,
according to comments in this Independent version Vestas are serial 'Open factory with subsidy and close it down a bit later' junkies.

@BBD re: IPCC renewables report

It reads more like desperation on the part of the IPCC: govts may not be able to say they disagree with the report's findings but they can still do what the hell they like when it comes to setting energy policy.

A report commissioned by Friends of the Earth, of all people, has found that cold houses are bad for people, in this (uncommentable) story in the Graun:

Warmer UK homes 'would save thousands of lives'

Who here finds this concluding paragraph from the Graun report on the IPCC renewables study unusually honest and extremely sinister?

As with all IPCC reports, the summary for policymakers – the synopsis of the report that will be presented to governments and is likely to impact renewable energy policy – had to be agreed line by line and word by word unanimously by all countries. This was done at Monday's meeting in Abu Dhabi. This makes the process lengthy, but means that afterwards no government or scientist represented can say that they disagree with the finished findings, which the IPCC sees as a key strength of its operations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/09/ipcc-renewable-energy-power-world

This is effectively saying: IPCC insiders create a consensus and impose it on absolutely everyone else. And then claim this behaviour as a 'key strength'. Which of course it is, if you are hell-bent on getting your own way without bothering with rubbish like democracy or indeed, dissenting opinion.

So, first we get the IPCC consensus on climate. Now we have one on how to solve the problem with renewables. I refrain from comment on the former, but the latter is simply wrong. And it is very worrying that the IPCC has now started to enforce renewables as the mainstay of global energy policy when there is a mountain of evidence that shows this approach will fail.

In fact the whole thing is appalling.

This really, really is our last chance this time, says Hansen:

Time is running out

"I think, this decade really is our last chance. And it's not inconsistent with what I've said before in 2005 I said we had ten years, we've still got a few of those years left but not many."

Does this mean they're all going to STFU in 2015 when the world hasn't spun off its axis because of a trivial global temperature rise? Gawd, we can only hope ...

BOFA @ May 11 5:31pm

You quite rightly ask:

Even with all the subsidies you only get 2000 jobs, how many are destroyed by the increased energy bills needed to generate the subsidies.

And here is the answer:

The economic candle in the U.K. is being blown out by wind power. The Verso study finds that after the annual diversion of some 330 million British pounds from the rest of the U.K. economy, the result has been the destruction of 3.7 jobs for every “green” job created

Read the rest here:

http://www.offshorewind.biz/2011/03/02/for-every-green-job-four-other-are-lost-uk/

I note that the Graun references the IPCC fabulism about 80% world energy from renewables post-2050. But sayin' it don't make it so...

Ok the 50M refugees dissappeared as it was blatantly wrong, but look, more made up figures. Where does the Guardian drag this stuff up from.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/11/climate-change-scientific-evidence-united-nations

Somehow its now 36 Million (but thats not all climate related).

The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (Ocha) and the Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre (IDMC) looked at the data for 2008.

The data suggests that at least 36 million people were displaced by "sudden-onset natural disasters", of whom more than 20 million were displaced owing to the sudden onset of weather-related disasters, including about 6.5 million people because of floods in India.

I thought Ministers have said on shore Wind Turbines need no subsidies and off shore will be once economies of scale kick in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/11/vestas-jobs-energy-policy

Even with all the subsidies you only get 2000 jobs, how many are destroyed by the increased energy bills needed to generate the subsidies.

Good article on dirty wind power at http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/05/ron-arnold-lots-dirty-things-have-happen-make-clean-energy