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Bishop Hill The bonkers emanations of Prof Hugh
Feb 8, 2016 Climate: WG2 Professor Hugh Montgomery is much given to making wild unsubstantiated comments about the terrors of climate change so it's no surprise to see him given pride of place in the ECIU's expensively produced report on the Paris conference.
Get a load of this:
What does #ParisAgreement on climate change mean for health? See our report https://t.co/1otucJ7DZB @hugh_montgomery pic.twitter.com/OtOACZgoPw
— ECIU (@ECIU_UK) February 8, 2016
Yessiree, human life on this planet is threatened this decade.
Madman.
Update on Feb 8, 2016 by
Bishop Hill
Bishop Hill
Richard Betts is too polite to say that Montgomery is "talking out of his hat":
@BarryJWoods Climate change is not the "single biggest threat to health and survival in *this* decade". See IPCC. @ECIU_UK @hugh_montgomery
— Richard Betts (@richardabetts) February 8, 2016
Reader Comments (74)
Human life is threatened by the consequences of the mad climate change policies, such as the Climate Change Act 2009 and EU Renewable Energy Directive - all those people who cannot afford to heat and eat, all that money wasted that could be spent on improving health, disease eradication etc etc.
'Give a man enough rope....'
Just keep highlighting their insane statements and the rest of us will judge them and their ludicrous campaign accordingly. Tim Farron is another prime example. They're clearly bonkers.
One of the curiosities of the report is that it talks about °C rises in Global temperature without mentioning a timescale or any variation.
4-6°C is the business as usual scenario.
But it doesn't say if that's over a century or a millennia. There's a difference.
Another the remarkable thing is that the Paris Agreement is expected to have only positive effects over every field. It seems strange that something so universally beneficial was so slow to be agreed.
Almost as if the report is a little biased or even unbalanced.
Still, it's nice to see my ex-MP finding something to do since he was wiped out in the LibDem general election massacre.
I rate the vanguard for the inevitable European Caliphate as being slightly more threatening to my health and wellbeing than 'climate change'.
The biggest threat to health in this country is the large number of immigrants arriving carrying various diseases which have long been eradicated from this country.
There's long list of names of the usual suspects associated with the report, without whom the world would be a much better place. Not one person of merit amongst them - Womens Institute, RSPB - heaven save us from such idiots.
Montgomery's unhinged imagination is one thing, and could find relatively harmless outlets such as in writing his bizarre, mystical melodrama 'Cloudsailors'. That's the forgiveable part. His deliberate kiddie-scaring initiative the Genie Project and the associated film he made for it in 2010 is not so forgiveable:
I made some notes about this project in my Page on Internet sites aimed at children or teachers:
33. 19 Feb 2012. Project Genie has been mentioned on a couple of sites recently. I am not sure if it is still active, but here is a link to the section of their site aimed at kids: http://www.projectgenie.org.uk/Kids.aspx
Here is a peek at their insidious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHctjCCEOY&feature=player_embedded
'Jeremy, a schoolboy aged eight, said: “It’s always scared me but now I definitely want to do something about it. It made me think about all the guys who say they don’t care about climate change and think right guys, you’re going down.”'
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That's exactly how eight year old kids DON'T talk. "right guys, you're going down". Preposterous and pernicious. Mad climate Jihadis on one side, mad Islamic Jihadis the other and the best our idiot governments can do is encourage both of them
Beyond FUBAR into realms of idiocy hitherto unplumbed. Perdition rain down on all of them.
If you're to die (badly) in the Near, Mid, Far East, Africa, S.America because sweet FA is accomplished by aid/no power stations/war etc..... does it much matter what he says or any of his like?
I think a qualification for such t*ssers is they live in such places for 5 years and under exactly the same conditions as the poor. No way out till end of 5 years. I suspect they might fade away...badly! Heres's hoping!
He is not a madman. He is perfectly rational in thinking that 'climate change is the greatest threat to human existence'. After all his job depends upon it...
The Madness of Ignorant Fools.
Worth noting Mr Harrabin seems to copy ECIU into most of his tweets these days.
Is it me, or does anyone else find it disturbing that these people want to continually & seem to enjoy, frightening children? Is that not a form of child abuse? Is it not a form of manipulation & control? Weirdos or what?
Montgomery is a self created, high energy/activity celebrity.
He was on Desert Island Dicks. He chose Dire Straits, seems appropriate. His ideal night out would be a Coldplay benefit concert for homeless arctic foxes followed by a hot cup of ovaltine and quick marathon before bed.
The world "engineering" does not appear once in the document, so clearly engineering is irrelevant, otherwise it would have merited a comment.
Alan
They want to frighten children for the same reason the Jesuits do. Yes, manipulation and control but also recruitment.
The world "engineering" does not appear once in the document, so clearly engineering is irrelevant, otherwise it would have merited a comment.
Paris will lead to '... increases in active transport'.
There you go, he admits.
Sounds like a re-run of the education policies of the original European Green Party.
(a.k.a. the National Socialist party, in Berlin, c.1938)
Have we got a Climate Youth organisation yet?
He is just afraid that with rising sea levels there will be more opportunity for somebody to break his underwater piano playing record
Current favourite to take his title is Mohamed Nasheed, former President of the Maldives and an expert underwater document signer
TerryS
LOL !
You absolutely nailed him on the underwater piano. It's pure self interest.
He's in training for the underwater electric guitar record now.
Prof Montgomery needs to get out of his delusional CO2 induced psycho-bubble and into the real world:
Source: http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/bj-rn-lomborg-says-that-the-un-climate-panel-s-latest-report-tells-a-story-that-politicians-would-prefer-to-ignore
"Co-chair of the Lancet Commission on Health and Climate Change"
Is it a tight squeeze on that chair? What a wonderful job. The quacks are always telling us that, if we're ill, it's our own fault and we can't expect them to do anything about it. Now they're also telling us that, when the climate varies, it's our fault, too, but they can tell us how to fix that.
You can get to be an expert in another field just by adding it to your title now, apparently.
Rudolph Hucker 12.08pm
Oh yes, the Climate Youth is here already
http://education.npower.com/index.htmy
I make no secret of the fact that, I firmly believe that the British climate has slightly warmed since the LIA, this warming has had a beneficial effect on our growing season and overall on society - its health and well being. Having said that, one of the biggest killers in Britain is cold, though its deleterious effects on human health not least on those who are most vulnerable inclusive of; the infirm, the unfit, those ageing and of course children.
At 52º N, Britain, this is still a cold part of the planet. Though, I would more than welcome the prognostications of the bonkers climate cabal - if average temperatures were to rise by ± 2º C but I am not holding my breath because, these nebulous predictions are based on nothing more than poorly designed computer models and the combined group think of hearsay......of man made warming there is; no proof, they have no clue, and it is (man made induced runaway warming) - not going to happen.
I just can't be ar**d reading that report, anyway it would be a total waste of effort.
I could even make some prediction myself - "What does the Paris agreement mean for the UK" - it will be chock full of scaremongering guff designed primarily to up the anxiety factor among the general public. Furthermore, and in all conscience - should a Doctor of Medicine trained on the taxpayer's ticket become a climate pilgrim or, be associated in any way, shape or form with, such a work of scientivist fiction. Egregious fiction, which will unnecessarily heighten the blood pressure and stress levels (of those unfortunate to read his climate guff) by heaping worry through promulgating wildly exaggerated threats onto the great British public. A Brit' public where people have enough on their plate's fretting about the daily battle of 'just'; affording to keeping warm in winter, putting food on the table and making ends meet?
This Doctor of medicine Montgomery, needs to examine, then to prioritize his obligations and responsibilities and get on with what he can do best in his field, namely cardiovascular genetics or, is that all just 'old hat' nowadays for the good doctor?
Alternatively, why doesn't he make protest about the £billions the NHS spends each year curing the ills of the world and all uninvited guests at that - no I bet his conscience wouldn't allow it, and duty of care nor, common sense be permitted to invade his self induced wallowing in an overflowing ocean of virtue signalling righteousness.
I hesitate to make criticism of Prof. Hugh Montgomery's medical research and all of his works therein, however when he strays, making such an utter fool of himself, all opprobrium which comes his way is not only justified, it is fully merited.
Raising Energy prices are the biggest threat to Health
Fuel Poverty and unemployment
Julia Slingo - Chief Scientist also contrubutes to that document, by her presence, she gives it credibility
The opening paragraph of the ECIU document ...
… is incorrect. No country “pledged” anything: they made non-binding statements of intent. And, assuming “constrain” means “reduce”, the statements from several “major carbon-emitting economies” (e.g. China, India, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and South Korea – representing about 40% of global emissions) did not indicate an intent to reduce emissions.Barry Woods
Only to the naive, anybody who has taken the slightest interest in the MOs Chief Scientist's pronouncements over the last decade will we well aware of her ability to contradict herself. Such actions do not engender thoughts of credibility.
Under the current 'World Government', 'Climate Change' really is the greatest threat to human life on the planet. Changing climate implies action against that change and it is the action which poses the threat. It was actually stated somewhere in Paris that the aim was not just to reduce emissions but to reduce atmospheric CO2.
Just as in the CCS argument these wonkers ignore the natural working of the biosphere. Alone and without our help, the planet has been reducing atmospheric CO2 for 4.5 billion years, that level has been falling inexorably towards the level at which human life can no longer survive, now we want to speed up that process?
The lowest level supporting life is reckoned to be in the range 120 - 150 ppm.
"Biggest threat in this decade" ... it's 2016 - not a single death of any person worldwide can be linked to climate. In contrast, we know rising harvests and greening of the planet are saving people, and we know that in the less than likely event we see more warming that it will surely result in less winter deaths, not just to add to the 1million extra winter deaths in the UK since this scam started, but many many more world wide as worldwide cold kills 15x as many as heat.
Now, it's one thing speculating about what may happen in the future - but to be so idiotic/fraudulent as to speculate against the evidence about a decade that is more than half over is just insane.
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Athelstan: "I just can't be ar**d reading that report".
There is that point you reach, that no matter how much you are interested in the subject, no matter how willing you are to review counter evidence ... it just becomes a chore reading their gobhite.
And they NEVER say anything new. Largely because all the newest evidence is completely against them ... so all they can do is regurgitate the same carp they were many years ago and have been each and every stupid report since.
MJK: "The word "engineering" does not appear once in the document, so clearly engineering is irrelevant"
Global warming or more accurately "CO2 hatred" is just a way for snouts-in-the-trough-of-public-money scum to use CO2 to attack the industry, engineering and private commerce that created the magnificent modern world we have.
They just can't stand the fact that academics like them are parasites on the engineering economy - and boy is our modern economy being sucked dry by those leeches.
Careful @EnglishPensioner you'll have George "The 'racist-finder' General" Monbiot on you.
.......................(If you FLOAT an idea ..then you're a racist
..............If you DROWN him with facts ....then you're a racist)
@Messenger's post with corrected link
They start with "Climate Cops Green Fingers: Online teaching resource for 4-7 year olds"... I favour telling Children about religion ..when they at senior school not brainwashing them at kindergarden
With Dramagreens it's "Dirty PR Tricks all the way and Damn the facts" as they have convinced themselves they are in a holy war.
If the guy has certainty (beyond the evidence) that CC is the biggest threat to health this decade
and if the guy think that human survival is a concern for this decade, then he lacks the appreciation of the real world necessary to head or chair any organisation on health.
Would you put the superfluous word "human" in , if not as part of a PR trick ?
I thinks the words were selected by advertising/PR experts.
Dung is correct: 'Under the current 'World Government', 'Climate Change' really is the greatest threat to human life on the planet.'
Climate Change is a reification fallacy used to justify government action. It means whatever the speaker wants it to, or, in many cases, it has no meaning at all, simply invoking it creates validity. The ultimate trump card.
Some are falling into the trap of calling it climate change rather than manmade global warming.
Interesting tweet in the original discussion:
Mhehed Zherting @MhehedZherting · 5h5 hours ago
@eciu_uk @hugh_montgomery @barryjwoods Human health survives diurnal swing, yet is incapable of adapting to a fraction of degree/decade?
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Let's see, plants growing better, check. Crop yields up, check. Weather related deaths and economic impact (per GDP) down, check. Pretty scary if you ask me.
As usual moron Montgomery has got it wrong.
Allow me to correct:
"Climate Change Policy is the are the biggest threat to Human health and survival in this and coming decades"
There, fixed. No Charge.
Climate Change would be a threat to human health if this period of history sees the end of the interglacial.
I see no reference in such Green nonsense to such an eventuality.though it is likely that the interglacial will end at some point in the near future geologically speaking
The geologically challenged forgot to include Ice Ages in their ideology .
If it's not in the Little Green book they keep close to their hearts it is not to be considered.
Ideologies do not allow departures from their 'wisdom' and no debate.
What an idiot, rule no. 1: doomsday predictions must always be beyond your own expected lifetime.
Were not for BigOil and its dark money, the genius of Professor Hugh Montgomery would tower over that of Leibniz in our history books.
The world, the universe itself, is unquestionably under threat and yet our collective best is to harass the very heroes selflessly trying to save us all.
I despair.
I note that the words 'wild unsubstantiated comments' link to a page of fabricated quotes.
Very postmodern.
The first thing on that page is a link to the transcript where people can read his words themselves.
Bish then humorously paraphrases it in 4 lines
I think Dung's remark is interesting. If the minimum CO2 concemtration that will support life, i.e.: support photosynthesis at a reasonable rate is 140ppm, the current factor of safety is 2.67.
This seems to be too low for safety and given the EU's obsession with the precautionary principle, the atmospheric CO2 concentartion should be raised to bring the factor of safety above 3.0
"The Greens do say some outrageous things", a Bishop Hill contributor said today, "however, they are not quite outrageous enough, so the site makes some quotes up, you have to understand it is basically a comedy enterprise"
"You have to say that it's about time the shale gas industry stopped lying ", a post said today.
"Lying by omission" is an important term
The post actually says :
"You have to say that it's about time the shale gas industry stopped lying back and hoping that the greens were going to adopt a more honest approach."
When it comes out they are not actually paying "Friends of the Earth friend" Phil the living wage' they'll be hell to play.
There's a the difference between.
#1 A parody quote.
#2 A quote made up to genuinely deceive
Dramagreens don't seem big on explaining context which shines a light , they prather prefer dark PR tricks
"A quote made up to genuinely deceive"
'Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen'
'We have to get rid of he Medieval Warm Period'
That kind of thing?
Richard Betts @richardabetts
@BarryJWoods Climate change is not the "single biggest threat to health and survival in *this* decade".
No, not this decade, but how about 10,000 years hence?
"What the Earth will be like in 10,000 years, according to scientists"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/08/what-the-earth-will-be-like-in-10000-years-according-to-scientists/
"A large group of climate scientists has made a bracing statement in the journal Nature Climate Change, arguing that we are mistaken if we think global warming is only a matter of the next 100 years or so — in fact, they say, we are locking in changes that will play out over as many as 10,000 years.
“The next few decades offer a brief window of opportunity to minimize large-scale and potentially catastrophic climate change that will extend longer than the entire history of human civilization thus far,” write the 22 climate researchers, led by Peter Clark, from Oregon State University.
The author names include not only a number of very influential climate scientists in general but several key leaders behind major reports from the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, including MIT’s Susan Solomon and Thomas Stocker of the University of Bern in Switzerland."
Check out the Nature Climate Change editorial board, all fully signed up climate agenda wonks,
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/about/about-eds/index.html