Discussion > The Moral and Intellectual Poverty of Climate Alarm
Greenies to the rescue.
https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-18-at-8.06.01-PM.png?resize=768%2C650&ssl=1
clipe
Christ on a bike, Fred. You cannot even get your links right. Three years out of date. The reality-based community is now here
Phil Clarke
Thank you for the link Phil
Quite why David Spiegelhalter's piece hasn't had wider circulation is a mild headscratcher - but as usual the MSM is in "if it bleeds it leads" mode.
Try Thunderf00ts take "what if we do nothing?"with added TDS
tomo
Wrong thread, same link twice.
Phil Clarke
Mar 22, 2020 at 9:35 AM Phil Clarke
Mann's Hockey Stick was out of date and rotten when (allegedly) Peer Reviewed.
The toxins released have penetrated 97% of Climate Science. That is why it is not thriving.
golf charlie
The fact that the sites you link to use words such as “contrarian” and “Anthropocene” does indicate that these sites are really not what could be called unbiased; in what other field of science is a sceptic (which should be the default setting for any scientist worthy of that calling) referred to as “contrarian”, and what is “Anthropocene”, when it is at home, aside from a made-up term to fool the gullible into thinking that mere humans can have a significant impact on the history of the planet? In a few million years, all there will be of the “Anthropocene” will be a few fossils, and perhaps a thin layer of ash (perhaps Minty could add his tuppence-worth, here..). Yeesh – after “Skeptical Skience” 🤣, you are getting even more desperate with your references, Mr Clarke.
Ha – Stoat – reality-based… 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 It’s the way you tell ‘em!
Radical Rodent
Ah but are they wrong? So much easier to criticise vocabulary than deal with the content, eh?
Anthropocene
/ˈanθrəpəˌsiːn/
adjective
relating to or denoting the current geological age, viewed as the period during which human activity has been the dominant influence on climate and the environment.
"we've become a major force of nature in this new Anthropocene epoch"
contrarian
/kənˈtrɛːrɪən/
noun
a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion, especially in stock exchange dealing.
adjective
opposing or rejecting popular opinion or current practice.
"the comment came more from a contrarian disposition than moral conviction"
Phil Clarke
“… viewed as the period during which human activity has been the dominant influence on climate… You’re cracking me up! 😂 🤣
“ a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion, especially in stock exchange dealing.” So, nothing to do with science, then.
Unwittingly, Mr Clarke, you have sort of proved my point….
Radical Rodent
a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion, especially in stock exchange dealing.
adjective
opposing or rejecting popular opinion or current practice.
"the comment came more from a contrarian disposition than moral conviction"
Mar 22, 2020 at 1:18 PM Phil Clarke
Popular Public opinion places Green Deals and Climate Science rather near the bottom of the list of priorities. Even the EU is realising that there is no money to pay for it anyway.
This rather makes you the Contrarian, even more so, if you maintain your Denial of the obvious facts in the face of the evidence that can be observed.
golf charlie
Ravishing Rabbit, we have had this discussion before. I don't agree with our ability to identify the beginning of an Anthropocene (nor the necessity for it) but there is no question that modern humans have caused major changes. I drew attention to the 1994 work of R. LeB. Hooke, where he calculated the magnitude of sediment movement by human activities and compared it with that of "natural" geomorphological agencies (wind, rivers, ice &c). Only rivers matched the amounts moved by modern humans. Humans thus constitute major agents of environmental change but only using this single criterion.
AK
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01641-5
Phil Clarke
The Adjustocene
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/30/saturday-satire-welcome-to-the-new-era-of-climate/
golf charlie
Ha - the troll presumes to police the thread!
tomo
Thank you, Minty – I seem to have a vague recollection of it, now. That said, my understanding is that the various epochs can only really be identified after the event, not during…
Radical Rodent
Ravishing Rabbit. That logic would mean that we would be unable to identify the Holocene.
AK
"Humans thus constitute major agents of environmental change but only using this single criterion."
Mar 22, 2020 at 4:00 PM AK
I presume that the annual flood of the Nile would have been seen from space, with a plume of sediment rich water visible in the South East corner of the Mediterranean. The Aswan Dam has reduced the annual flush
The Black Death caused destruction towards the end of the Medieval Warm Period, but as Mann decreed that the MWP never existed, and fleas didn't scrounge lifts off rats driving V8 Range Rovers, another Hockey Stick Emergency Repair Kit fails.
golf charlie
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/mar/21/book-clinic-melissa-harrison-climate-crisis-fiction
"Book clinic: are there any novels about the climate crisis?"
"Novelist Melissa Harrison recommends the best ‘cli-fi’ fiction"
There is a lot of Peer Reviewed Climate Science to choose from.
golf charlie
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Are climate alarm promoters already unhinged or did the climate data make them that way? Given that the climate data shows nothing to be concerned about, I tend to the notion that emotionally unstable people get attracted to any popular alarmism in the media and choose to add to it. Add to this the societal hatred that so animates Marxists, and you get double 'forcing', to borrow a term. Well known climate alarmer Horton of the Lancet is a case in point, and he has now jumped on the wuflu panic bandwagon only weeks after dismissing it. I guess he just failed to spot the opportunity back then:
https://order-order.com/2020/03/27/lancet-editor-slams-government-for-listening-to-his-advice/
They are not impressive, these climate alarmers. I wonder if they get pleasure from scaring people, and ranting at them. That would be a third forcing.
Here he is enjoying the 'climate crisis': ER apologia last year
John Shade
Hopefully Doctors will recognise that he has damaged The Lancet and the health of the UK, before it is too late.
https://www.doctorsforxr.com/news/editor-of-the-lancet-states-healthcare-professionals-obliged-to-protest
Lancet’s Editor states"Doctors obliged to protest"
The editor of the Lancet, one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world, has come out officially asking all health professionals to engage in non-violent social protest to protect people from climate & ecological breakdown.
He called the climate emergency “the most important existential threat affecting the human species.”
Dr Richard Horton, who only last week accused the British government of “criminal inaction” on climate change, called on the General Medical Council to support the 23 doctors already arrested under the banner of Extinction Rebellion.
Dr Horton went even further and asked for the whole profession to “recognise their contribution” in protecting our species. “If every single health professional just did one thing every single week (to combat climate and ecological breakdown) it could be absolutely transformational to the politics of our country. It is the brave acts of a large number of people that will make the difference. That’s our task, our responsibility, today, in the 21st century.”
golf charlie
The disastrous, disgraceful, despicable IPCC is not only a nasty political scheme of Maurice Strong and his cronies, it is rubbish on sticks when it comes to predictions. Or 'projections' as the apologists within it once declared them to be.
Just looking at the data refutes the alarmists time after time after time, and even the relatively muted alarmism of the IPCC is easily shown to be wanting. Here Andrew Montford reports on a Greek study into floods and droughts:
https://www.thegwpf.com/bandwagon-of-doom-washed-away-by-tidal-wave-of-data/
'According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, for each degree of global warming, the amount of water vapour in the air should increase by about 6-7%. As with so many things the IPCC talks about, this small change is supposed to lead to calamity. That’s because increasing water vapour is supposed to lead to “intensification of the hydrological cycle”, in other words floods and droughts.
Demetris Koutsoyiannis, a hydrologist at the National Technical University of Athens, has taken it upon himself to undertake a major review of the scientific data to see what evidence there is for this actually happening in practice. His findings, currently up for open peer review at the journal Hydrology and Earth System Sciences,[i] make for uncomfortable reading for the IPCC and its fellow-travellers on the bandwagon of doom.'
Andrew ends his report thusly:
'As well as being an eminent scientist, Koutosoyiannis also has a deep interest in the scientific knowledge and practice of the ancient world, and this has coloured his view of the climate scare. As he says in his conclusions, the small changes that are exciting climate scientists today would not even have been discussed by ancient engineers, who would have seen them as just noise in the ever-changing patterns of hydrological cycles. Similarly, he points out that such small changes are of no interest to those making practical decisions about flood protection and water storage. And he wonders whether, with the data refuting the climatologists’ predictions so clearly, it isn’t time that hydrologists shifted their attention away from prophecies of doom, and back onto making a real contribution to people’s lives.
You can see his point.'
You can indeed. Another stain on the fabric of science highlighted for us by the IPCC.
John Shade
Apr 2, 2020 at 3:32 PM John Shade
The current Mediterranean Climate would have struggled to provide the ancient Greeks and Romans with sufficient land to feed their populations.
Slightly more recently, Petra in Jordan thrived with a stream supplied by some water engineering. It is all dry now.
golf charlie
It's really touching how you describe yourselves as sceptics, and then uncritically lap up everything Montford emits without bothering with even a basic fact-check.
One hopes this paper fares better than the last one from Koutsoyiannis et al.
What last one? Well quite.
Phil Clarke
Apr 2, 2020 at 11:00 PM Phil Clarke
Better or worse than Gergis?
golf charlie
Mann goes for an insanity
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/03/friday-funny-venal-swamp-mann/
golf charlie
Greenies to the rescue.
https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-18-at-8.06.01-PM.png?resize=768%2C650&ssl=1