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gc
the FBI / DoJ is only a part of the picture. I'd hazard a guess that there's a whole raft of Obamah, Biden and Clinton doings that could be dragged on stage. The deployment of state assets to attack political foes is banana republic stuff - the Trump administration needs to tread very carefully in this whole matter.
The DNC manipulators very obviously thought (and still think?) themselves untouchable.
May 16, 2020 at 9:16 AM tomo
I don’t doubt it! All Governments have dirty laundry they would rather conceal, and this will implicate politicians as well as government employees.
Part of Blair's legacy lives on in the political bias of the BBC, Charities, NGO's etc, and it is interesting to note their support for St Hillary and continued attempts to ignore the scandals unfolding in the USA.
Meanwhile......
Trump has fired Steve Linick (not Mike Pompeo as the link title suggests)
https://www.thejournal.ie/donald-trump-fires-inspector-general-mike-pompeo-5100597-May2020/
The sacking is the latest in a series of moves against independent executive branch watchdogs who have found fault with the Trump administration.
A senior department official said Trump removed Steve Linick from his job on Friday, but gave no reason for his dismissal.
In a letter to Congress, Trump said Linick, who had held the job since being appointed by Barack Obama in 2013, no longer had his full confidence and that his removal would take effect in 30 days.
gc
I don't think any government is free from dodgy bits - the pivotal bit is really if the perpetrators of dodginess get cocky and assume that they'll be in power for ever - so they can do whatever they like - including actual criminal acts.
Linick was overdue for the can - hardly an independent and certainly not a watchdog that did any actual watching or barking. Under Hilary The State Department was a cesspit.
Flynn - it would be entertaining if he went after his persecutors financially - as they had calibrated their attack on him to ruin him financially - it's one area where the remedy should pain the perpetrators...
I wonder if Obamah's droopy eye is twitching.
Charly: ‘Won't start before indictments and grand juries are ready.’
Yes, the ground will need to be thoroughly prepared before takeoff.
I was intrigued by your link and the writer’s mention of Grenell’s satchel. Beyond the passing reference, he doesn’t seem to have much more to say about this object.
I wonder whether he has missed something. In role-play video games, a character’s ‘magic satchel’ can contain more items than the character can carry by him or herself.
Perhaps the symbolism of the satchel is that Grenell is burdened with greater knowledge than he can bear alone, hence the need to use a prop, as it were, to carry evidence of the greatest political scandal in history. However, it may also be that the evidence may not be in the satchel, but might in fact be the satchel itself.
During the Watergate investigation, Deep Throat told Bob Woodward to ‘follow the money’. However, the global scale of Obamagate suggests it is about more than mere money.
I don’t have time to follow this up myself, but I have a deep feeling that pursuing the satchel may yield the Rosetta Stone that could blow this whole thing wide open.
"I don't think any government is free from dodgy bits - the pivotal bit is really if the perpetrators of dodginess get cocky and assume that they'll be in power for ever - so they can do whatever they like - including actual criminal acts.
May 16, 2020 at 10:15 AM tomo"
The arrogance of absolute power! The EU is full of it too.
"During the Watergate investigation, Deep Throat told Bob Woodward to ‘follow the money’. However, the global scale of Obamagate suggests it is about more than mere money."
May 16, 2020 at 12:18 PM Brendan H
I think it is more about a legacy of power and money that can be handed on to the next generation of rulers, even if they are not blood relatives.
The Clintons Blairs and EU all profited out of their mutual Common Purpose of power and money. Trump deprived St Hillary of her Assumed Right to be President, Corbyn destroyed it for Blairites, and Coronavirus is simply accelerating the EU's fragility and lack of union.
I just think you're thinking too small by taking ObamaGate global. It is of course interplanetary, everyone knows that the secret Obama/Biden HAMMER global surveillance tool incorporates alien technology recovered from the Roswell crash site.
Make no mistake: The Department’s action is extraordinarily rare, if not unprecedented. If any of us, or anyone reading this statement who is not a friend of the President, were to lie to federal investigators in the course of a properly predicated counterintelligence investigation, and admit we did so under oath, we would be prosecuted for it.
It was lizards using 6G
"were to lie to federal investigators in the course of a properly predicated counterintelligence investigation, and admit we did so under oath, we would be prosecuted for it."
That's indeed true - apart from the fact that the investigation(s) wasn't (weren't) properly predicated, wasn't counterintelligence and wasn't under oath. In the Flynn matter the FBI have been hiding the original 302 form for over 3 years.....
Do try and keep up Clarky
May 16, 2020 at 1:59 PM Phil Clarke
9 out of 7 Climate Scientists prefer Mann's maths.
Flynn's admission that he deceived the FBI was made in a 5 page statement of facts under oath to a Federal judge. Presumably this is why Judge Gleeson is now considering whether to charge him with perjury.
He was National Security Advisor being investigated by counterintelligence agents for contacts with a Russian ambassador. On which planet is that not a counterintelligence operation?
Clarky
do tell us what *exactly* he deceived the FBI about ? - you being so read in 'n all - you don't know - since you're too sloppy to bother doing any spadework
The call in question was monitored by SIGINT and transcribed - undoubtedly with Flynn's knowledge - and the first FBI interview conclusion was that Flynn didn't lie and the paperwork's MIA for the second interview...
I'd add that everybody concerned acknowledges that Flynn's contact with the ambassador was entirely legitimate and also entirely consistent with his official position at the time.
Judges Sullivan and Gleeson aren't doing to come out of this well at all. If you want the legal angle take a look at Viva Frei's technical take on the relevant law that Sullivan and Gleeson are in fact breaking... :-) Only you won't - and we'll get more dimwit quotes from tossers at Vice/CNN/ThinkProgress/TheGuardian.
Reiterating = do tell us what *exactly* Flynn deceived the FBI about ?
It would seem that Flynn's main mistake was likely employing a law firm where Obamah's chum Eric "Fast and Furious" Holder is a senior partner.
Don't be ridiculous, Mr Icke.
Mind you, does anyone know the exact whereabouts of Biden and Obama the night Princess Diana was assassinated? I think they should be made to testify ;-)
The phrase you're struggling for is 'Sorry, I was wrong and the 2,000 staffers at the DOJ were right'
HTH.
2,000 staffers ? Clarky - icymi - they aren't a jury (and as an aside who assembled them?).
What did Flynn lie about?
c'mon it's easy.... according to you.
You don't know - and we'll now see the customary radio silence / evasion from Planet Clarke
Asking for information that is in the public domain, and has been for years, is a pretty lame debating device, but here you are.
1. The defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, who served as a surrogate and national security advisor for the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump ("Campaign"), as a senior member of President-Elect Trump's Transition Team ("Presidential Transition Team"), and as the National Security Advisor to President Trump, made materially false statements and omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation ("FBI") on January 24, 2017, in Washington, D.C.At the time of the interview, the FBI had an open investigation into the Government of Russia's ("Russia") efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, including the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia, and whether there was any coordination between the Campaign and Russia's efforts.
2. FLYNN's false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI's ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination Case 1:17-cr-00232-RC Document 4 Filed 12/01/17 Page 1 of 6 between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia's efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election. False Statements Regarding FLYNN's Request to the Russian Ambassador that Russia Refrain from Escalating the Situation in Response to U.S. Sanctions against Russia 3.
On or about January 24, 2017, FLYNN agreed to be interviewed by agents from the FBI ("January 24 voluntary interview"). During the interview, FLYNN falsely stated that he did not ask Russia's Ambassador to the United States ("Russian Ambassador") to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia. FLYNN also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of FL YNN's request. In truth and in fact, however, FLYNN then and there knew that the following had occurred:
a. On or about December 28, 2016, then-President Barack Obama signed Executive Order 13757, which was to take effect the following day. The executive order announced sanctions against Russia in response to that government's actions intended to interfere with the 2016 presidential election ("U.S. Sanctions").
b. On or about December 28, 2016, the Russian Ambassador contacted FLYNN.
c. On or about December 29, 2016, FLYNN called a senior official of the Presidential Transition Team ("PTT official"), who was with other senior ·members of the Presidential Transition Team at the Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, to discuss what, if anything, to communicate to the Russian Ambassador about the U.S. Sanctions. On that call, FLYNN and the PTT official discussed the U.S. Sanctions, including the potential impact of those sanctions on the incoming administration's foreign policy goals. The PIT official and FLYNN also discussed that the members of the Presidential Transition Team at Mar-a-Lago did not want Russia to escalate the situation.
d. Immediately after his phone call with the PTT official, FLYNN called the Russian Ambassador and requested that Russia not escalate the situation and only respond to the U.S. Sanctions in a reciprocal manner.
e. Shortly after his phone call with the Russian Ambassador, FLYNN spoke with the PTT official to report on the substance of his call with the Russian Ambassador, including their discussion of the U.S. Sanctions.
f. On or about December 30, 2016, Russian President Vladimir Putin released a statement indicating that Russia would not take retaliatory measures in response to the U.S. Sanctions at that time.
g. On or about December 31, 2016, the Russian Ambassador called FLYNN and informed him that Russia had chosen not to retaliate in response to FL YNN's request.
h. After his phone call with the Russian Ambassador, FLYNN spoke with senior members of the Presidential Transition Team about FL YNN's conversations with the Russian Ambassador regarding the U.S. Sanctions and Russia's decision not to escalate the situation.
(There's more, obvs).
Not from some left-leaning news outfit, but this guy
I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily and because I am, in fact, guilty of the crime charged. No threats have been made to me nor am I under the influence of anything that could impede my ability to understand this Statement of the Offense fully. I have read every word of this Statement of the Offense, or have had it read to me. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11, after consulting with my attorneys, I agree and stipulate to this Statement of the Offense, and declare under penalty of perjury that it is true and correct.Michael T. Flynn.
Either he lied to the FBI, or he lied on oath about lying to the FBI.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download
Clarky
evasion pure and simple
What was Flynn's actual lie ?
c'mon clever clogs it's easy
Hint: You might want to look closely at Executive Order 13757 - not that I really want to help you.
Climate Scientists have never judged anything without deciding the conclusion before having evidence. No wonder they can Peer Review a legal case and be wrong.
https://youtu.be/gFrPebLi8AA
https://youtu.be/Ju2VcRcbNa4
Flynn is being evasive how? The question was what did he lie to the FBI about, the answer lies in his sworn testimony. But that's not good enough? So is it that Flynn did not lie about the things that Flynn swore under oath he did lie about before before saying whatever he is saying this week, and only you know, - better than he does - what the 'actual lie' was and we have to guess ....
Gosh - If that's right, you just accused the man of perjury.
I leave you to your games.
Aw ... diddums = Clarky flounces off
No answer Clarky as usual = you're a lazy tosser unwilling to do any work beyond standard issue trolling copy n paste and maybe the odd attempt at inference that plays to pleasuring yourself - which we see far too much of here.
Your ignorance is only exceeded by your vehemence and maybe your TDS.
And here come the offensive ad homs.
So there is an 'actual lie',one that Tomo is privy to, different from the details in Flynn's statement, (which would make him a perjurer). But Tomo is not prepared to simply post this important information, he just jerks around trying to score points.
But it is me who is 'evasive'. Heh.
offensive ad-homs ?
I defer to the maestro
Like I said I'm not going to help you - as usual we're treated to a display of parroted vehemence that owes little to any work done actually looking at how the Flynn case has worked and spewing CNN style talking points while refusing to look at the events involved.
here's another ad hom ...
nah ... use your imagination - I'm sure you can think of something ...
I'd get that TDS looked at - it seems to have grown so big that you obviously can't see around it.
Like I said I'm not going to help you
And after all that, just a big old tease, all mouth and no trousers. To quote the great Malcom Tucker when I need your help I shall issue the secret signal, which is me being sectioned under the Mental Health Act.
Right, off to play with the grownups……
May 16, 2020 at 5:45 PM Phil Clarke
I don't think corrupting science carries the same length of prison sentence as Corrupting Law, but misappropriation of public money in the US could be a sticky one for some of your chums.
May 16, 2020 at 8:15 AM tomo
A few arrests now, with the threat of the same treatment administered to General Flynn, would seem consistent with the Obama Administration's methods.
I would expect that there are many within the FBI with a desire to restore their corporate image by removing those that have created the bad air of institutional corruption from the top down.
The conspiracy to cover up the original conspiracy is now causing more damage to more careers within DoJ and FBI. They have been unable to self-correct, and a team from outside the bubble needs to be brought in.
General Flynn has already proved his loyalty to the US and may be looking for paid work