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"My position however, is that Lying Don's rhetoric on Sweden is grossly exaggerated, agenda-driver and almost certainly an uncritical and unchecked relaying of a doctored and dishonest report he saw on Faux News."

Nothing to see here move on.

Or here .

Definitely not here .

Or even here .

So in Phil''s world Sweden is all quiet and peaceful and Donald and Faux News are just making it up? If anyone's making things up it has to be Phil who started by announcing that the rapes in 2015 were the same as 215 when they had all but doubled.

I hold no brief to Trump, except that I hope he will be a good president for the USA, as I did for Obama, who it turned out wasn't, but Phil's knee jerk reaction to what he said without checking first if there was anything to it, and the his ignoring, what 10? different newspaper stories showing rape and mayhem in Sweden smacks of cognotive dissonance.

C'mon Phil you're better than that mate.

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:23 AM | Unregistered Commentergeronimo

Infowars?

Geronimo, you're better than that mate. When will this 'carnage' show up in the crime stats?

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:26 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

We could always continue following Tim Pool to see how his investigation is going. Surprisingly, he finds that icy pavements are not the only problem in Sweden.

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:41 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Yep- Those car fires in Sweden are horrific.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/97012/arson-blamed-for-a-third-of-all-vehicle-fires

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:51 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

News for you, Mr Clarke – Yorkshire is NOT in Sweden.

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:58 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Obviously, Mr Clarke, you do not like hearing from news agencies who give you news you do not like; try looking at other sources, other than the lame stream media, say here, here, or here.

Another option is to continue with your head buried in the sand, but – hey! – this is a free country (still, thankfully… but for how long?), and you can believe whatever you want.

Mar 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Narrators gotta narrate; deviation from the script is verboten.
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Mar 1, 2017 at 11:15 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

More than a third of the 54,445 vehicle fires in Britain in the last three years were started deliberately, an exclusive investigation by Auto Express has found.

The 51 fire and rescue services attended an average of 18,148 car fires a year, putting out nearly 50 torched vehicles a day with 35.8 per cent deliberately started since 2013.

Tim's interlocutor had footage of what? Three fires in a month? 'Problems like they never thought possible'.

You messed up RR, with a bit more Googling you could have located Youtube videos demonstrating that Sweden has suffered a 900% increase in violent crime, and that Muslim criminal gangs now control 53 no go areas …

Mar 1, 2017 at 11:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

“Tim’s interlocutor” was ONE individual; one person who kept an eye on what was happening in his locale; one individual who was trying to keep a record of what was going on in his area. He appeared to have no connections within the various authorities involved, other than having a police-band scanner, yet he filmed three car fires in a month, and you are so dismissive of it! Your selective blindness to events is truly astonishing! I do not know your own experience, but I have NEVER seen a burning car, in all my years travelling the roads of this country and others; three in ONE month within running distance of his home does seem a tad over the odds, I would have thought.

Mar 1, 2017 at 11:58 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

C'mon Phil you're better than that mate.

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:23 AM | geronimo

Actually, he has done well to divert attention away from Trump, and his forthcoming budget announcements on March 13th, which do not bode well for fraudsters in Climate Science. Hopefully the 3% of honest Climate Scientists won't suffer as innocent victims of other people's crimes.

It is amazing how few leaks about US Policy the Green Blob have access to, now that John Holdren doesn't have a desk in the White House.

Mar 1, 2017 at 1:10 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Lying Phil Clarke will always have something in common with Lying Climate Scientists.

Mar 1, 2017 at 1:13 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

RR - I have seen two car fires in my years of travelling on roads (and viewing parked cars).

Phil's attempts to convince us that it is entirely normal to see several burning cars in one district over a short space of time are counterproductive. They simply convince us that what he says on other matters (eg climate change) is also bollocks.

Mar 1, 2017 at 2:36 PM | Registered CommenterMartin A

Martin A, in the UK cases of car fires caused by spontaneous combustion are remarkably rare, unless criminal low life has had recent contact. Under-bonnet engine-bay car fires do tend to involve leaking fuel, but hot exhaust pipes are not hot enough to cause ignition of petrol or petrol vapour. An electrical spark is, even momentarily, hot enough to ignite petrol vapour.

A lit cigarette can be extinguished by dropping it into petrol.

Mar 1, 2017 at 3:05 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Thank you, MartinA, and your point about Mr Clarke is noted. I wonder, how long will it be before the USA is enjoying the “nothing” that ever happens in Sweden?

Perhaps the only way some people will get their heads out of the sand is when someone else does it for them, and lays it beside their bodies.

Mar 1, 2017 at 3:31 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Radical Rodent, Climate Science has been saying the world will burn, if we don't pay them lots of money.

I think the Kray Twins and Mafia operated similar protection rackets.

Mar 1, 2017 at 3:54 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Things have been bubbling in the banlieue of Paris for 10 days without any mention on mainstream BBC. While working in Amsterdam in the 2000s,I met many Swedish folk who were apprehensive about immigration from countries that do not have Scandinavian weather. They talked about no-go areas even then. And official stats are always massaged when there is no objective measure. You cannot go by arrests if the police do not make arrests for various social reasons.... Keep it among the community. Just like the Sicilian Mafia, it is not a crime unless it is prosecuted. But that does not mean that crime is absent.

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterDiogenes

Mar 1, 2017 at 10:00 PM | Diogenes

Changing the "rules" about recording crime, is the easiest way to declare particular crimes in particular areas are decreasing/increasing, as required, by whoever gets to decide how the rules are changed.

Mar 1, 2017 at 11:05 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Gosh! meeting with the Russian Ambassador is now not considered to be having contact with the Russians. Attorneys General are not what they used to be.

Mar 2, 2017 at 7:12 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

That sounds a bit conspiracy theory.
When media are building propaganda narratives all kinds of things happen.
When before his inauguration Obama travelled the world, his team meeting all kinds of foreign leader, that was deemed not worth whipping up hysteria about.
Nor when Obama tapped Merkel's phonecalls.
Indeed it is not a crime to meet foreign leaders.
What is a crime is to get caught officially lying, which is what happned previously with a Trump official.
Personally I expect good business people and politicians to lie.
It's not a good tactic to show your hand at poker ..b luffing is good.


Interresting that in media land if you a sex attack victim in Rotherham or Sweden ..your story doesn't matter.
But if you are a woman making accusations a Premier League footballer or a disliked politician then your case will be obsessively reported ...#AllLivesMatter

Mar 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

"Personally I expect good business people and politicians to lie."

So sad.
How low we have sunk.
How low our expectations.

Mar 2, 2017 at 9:30 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Mar 2, 2017 at 9:30 AM | Supertroll

I share your disappointment, but Politicians, whatever the colour of the Flag they fly, have always specialised in lying. This seems to be where Climate Scientists went wrong, when they politicised science for personal gain.

Mar 2, 2017 at 1:25 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Bremoaners and anti Trumpers seem to lack cognitive skills. Even the rabidly stupid Guardian reported

“I never met with any Russian officials to discuss issues of the campaign,” Sessions’ statement said.

Mar 2, 2017 at 2:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterDiogenes

As a Senator on the Armed Services Committee, Jeff Sessions has met with 25 foreign ambassadors. Diogenes has it right, and Alan has been stampeded into error by biased news.
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Mar 2, 2017 at 2:46 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Diogenes. I did note the careful praising of Sesson's statement, but people seeking positions of power should not only be clean, but should be seen to be clean. When asked by the committee about contacts with the Russians he should have volunteered the information that he had meet with the ambassador for other purposes. Nobody else with the same role felt it necessary to meet with the ambassador. It might be innocent but it smells bad.
It only impacts Trump in terms of him potentially appointing yet another dubious person.

Mar 2, 2017 at 2:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Find the question and the context, Alan.
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Mar 2, 2017 at 2:56 PM | Unregistered Commenterkim