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Tomo
Scott Adams comments on CNN not even mentioning the Rice story:
...CNN apparently decided that the Susan Rice story was not important news. Coincidentally, this particular news also made them look like ridiculous turds for mocking the Trump “wiretapping” claim non-stop as a sign of the president’s character and perhaps his sanity.We don’t know all the facts yet, but we do know that Trump’s claim of being “wiretapped” by Obama is starting to look dangerously close to something similar to the truth. CNN did not see that coming, and it would be awkward to walk-back all of their mocking. So they just sort of ignored it....
Martin A
CNN eh? well - what a surprise.
Some years ago CNN had a female anchor with some pretty wild strabismus issues - which was pretty disconcerting to watch (or try to) - it's now even more difficult to watch d/t TD Syndrome + monstrous deliberate whopper flinging and risible omission of embarrassing past follies.
Maybe the Guardian can buy it and extend their global reach - a marriage made in heaven.
Heh, here's a TrumpSpeak translation: 'Many, many lines' means '59 lines'.
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What US Secretary of State Tillerson actually said about the removal of Assad
I admit that my cynicism led me not to fact check that particular morsel of "news".
Lies, damned lies and the MSM
Two things about Trump today.
1. The US bombing in Syria. If it was done because he was affected by pictures of "beautiful babies", while that might demonstrate the man's humanity, I'm far from convinced it's a rational basis for making such big policy decisions. And if the stories put out by the Syrians and Russians, (to the effect that the US bombing killed several civilians, including children) turn out to be true, then it makes his action a tad hypocritical at best. I fear the real reason for the bombing was to send an unmissable message to the Chinese about North Korea, given the US-China talks taking place at the moment. If that is the reason, I fear it's just crass. The situation in Syria is an appalling human disaster, but I think foreign intervention is unlikely to solve it, while potentially bringing with it a whole raft of further problems, some possibly foreseen in advance, others possibly not.
2. Today's terrible terrorist attack in Stockholm. It seems probable that it was an Islamic terror attack (certainly the picture of the man the police want to find looks Middle Eastern to me). Maybe this goes some way to vindicate to a modest attack what Trump said about Sweden, only to be howled down by the liberal elites and MSM. On the subject of which, I noticed that on this evening's 6pm news on Radio 4, the BBC managed to run the whole story without even mentioning the possibility that the perpetrator might be an Islamist. The BBC news website story similarly fails to discuss the possibility, though it does include this: " It is important at this stage, though, to keep an open mind about the perpetrator. It's not impossible that it was someone with personal, psychological problems, rather than a political motive."
Perhaps the BBC should just stick to reporting the facts.
Mark. It was noticeable that the BBC did not identify any islamic connection with the Westminster atrocity until many hours after the incident. I think this was caution, until authorities positively made a connection there was not even speculation. I suspect they were doing the same regarding the Stockholm incident.
Thanks, Mark, a Weapon of Crass Destruction.
It's an important signal to both Russia and China that a new sheriff is in town. We needed one.
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As I understand it the Syrian airbase strike was against a staging base (i.e. a temporary base and possibly with some unserviceable aircraft dotted around) and Russian official sources say only 23 cruise missiles reached the airbase. It is not clear where the other 36 cruise missiles landed. Will we be treated to a bomb damage assessment I wonder? It seems likely that this was a demonstration given in honor of Mr. JinPing who's who's a house guest at Mar-a-Lago at the moment. Maybe the explosion craters do something creative like spell something out when viewed from a height?
The BBC missed an opportunity with the Stockholm attack - it was obviously an evil diesel truck that ran amok killing random Swedes today. I really do wonder what the perpetrators hope to achieve - really...
Mark Hodgson, I think Trump's initial response, was to bomb the hell out of the bad guys, just like he said he would, before elected. The use of chemical weapons clearly gave him clear proof, confirmed by the Media, who the bad guys were.
He has been accused by the Media of being too close to Putin, and that was what was stopping him from intervening. (We do not know why Obama had not applied "pressure" on Putin.)
There may have been some questions about the legality of bombing the hell out of the bad guys, under International Law.
He would have been criticised if he was seen to be doing "not a lot".
He was damned what ever he did, or did not do. He reverted to his instinctive response, and bombed the hell out of the bad guys.
As kim points out, the world, including the US, now know there IS a new Sheriff in Town.
As you point out, China can not use US lack of action in Syria, as an excuse for not doing something to halt North Korean insanity. The US could offer suggestions and help to China about North Korea's leadership, and North Korea's Leadership now knows what that mght be. If the US and China agreed on how North Korea could be run by China, the biggest problem of instituting regime change (will the new regime be stable, reliable and compliant) would be solved.
There are too many fighting factions in Syria for either Russia or the US to decide on a new regime, and there is too much oil money in support of the various competing and fighting factions of the Moslem world.
Trump wants the US Military to be better equipped to fight, but does not want the long term financial burden of policing the "peace". The US has been policing the North/South Korea border throughout the reign of The Queen.
I have never been clear on Russia's motive for maintaining the status quo in Syria.
I think we should all take a step back on Assad for a minute. First off, it is a little known fact that he is the democratically elected leader of Syria, in UN supervised elections. Secondly the vast majority of the rebels aren't Syrian at all, and brutal beyond belief. Third he runs a secular country, which celebrates the festivals of all faiths. Fourth the Syrian army are winning the war and have been greeted with cheers and exultation in areas they have liberated. Fifth he's winning the war, the stupidest thing he could do was use chemical weapons. Not as clear cut as the MSM would have us believe.
"Not as clear cut as the MSM would have us believe"
+1000
But this is a Trump thread, and the media ridiculed Trump about Sweden some months ago.
We must trust the Progressively Elite Media, apparently.
Well well well geronimo. There's facts, fake news and downright untruths.
"First off, it is a little known fact that he is the democratically elected leader of Syria, in UN supervised elections".
Yeh right! In the 2000 and subsequent 2007 election, he received 99.7% and 97.6% support, respectively. A member of a rather small sect wins that proportion of the vote in a state composed of Sunnis and Shiites. Pull the other one.
"Secondly the vast majority of the rebels aren't Syrian at all, and brutal beyond belief".
I don't know the proportions now (what is your evidence for this?), but gassed children, babies and mothers are not brutal. Furthermore when the conflicts began, the vast majority of the rebels were indeed Syrian.
"Third he runs a secular country, which celebrates the festivals of all faiths."
His treatment of his own people would seem to suggest he and those around him have no faith.
"Fourth the Syrian army are winning the war and have been greeted with cheers and exultation in areas they have liberated".
The first part of this statement is rubbish. The Syrian government were losing the war until Russian intervention. The second part I doubt very much, but have nothing to refute your unsubstantiated claims.
"Fifth he's winning the war, the stupidest thing he could do was use chemical weapons."
But he, and his father, have used them before. He did have them, and it's entirely reasonable to suppose that his regime held some back. Yes it would be stupid to use them, but leaders do stupid things, and he got away with it before when Britain and the USA did nothing except bluster.
Supertroll
There are so few independent actual reporters on the ground that it would be dodgy to endorse one camps version vs. the other - but looking from afar -
The tactical deployment of CW agents must have a rationale - and given that the Syrian regime are probably well aware that *any* use will profoundly count against them in the international arena - a deployment of Sarin (which they purportedly don't have) - which seemingly manages to kill only civilians - seems like a really, really counterproductive thing to do - there is stupid and then there is stupid . France deployed nerve gas against the mahdists in Mecca in 1979 and the tactical rationale was *very* clear. I don't see a sensible tactical rationale for CW in this case - that has been offered for the deployment - I'm also scratching my head at the photos of Sarin victims being handled with bare hands and B&Q dust masks...
OTOH - the jihadists routinely use fear spiced with simply astonishing brutality and quite appalling cynicism to advantage. This extends to collusion with US operatives in the area. This Daily Mail piece (now pulled) was of course conspiracy theory on stilts....
The CIA presence in Jordan is the largest outside the continental USA - I'm fairly confident they aren't all partying on the beach in Aqaba.
A rationale is now offered which has yet to appear in regular MSM places.
The piece also appears to implicate Russia in the Khan Sheykhoun business (a second strike against a hospital with conventional bombs from an aircraft only operated by Russians) - the report doesn't name the Russian pilot....
Taking out meetings is a favorite tactic of both US and Israeli military folk - the key difference here is that a blunder-bus was used - not a bomb down the chimney. Precision munitions are the favoured tool for this sort of strike and are available to the Syrian regime
odd.... and I'm really not much the wiser.....
tomo. The link you give has the following:
"On April 4, 2017, the commander of No. 677 Squadron — Col. Yusuf Hasuri — received written orders from the Ba’ath Party headquarters in Damascus to arm two of his Sukhois with bombs filled with chemical agents. Syrian intelligence believed that leaders from Syrian jihadist group Hayat Tahrir Ash Sham were planning on meeting in the town of Khan Sheykhoun."
Where do you think this detailed information comes from? How can we be sure it's not fake? How come that site has the information and no other?
Regarding stupidity: with respect, arguing that someone wouldn't do something because it would be stupid to do so, is itself stupid. Stupidity is rampant.
re: stupid
yeah ... point taken. Substitute "suicidal" for "stupid" above.
One can see why the regime might go after Hayat Tahrir Ash Sham - but the methodology looks inept and self defeating. Even if the Syrian intelligence services were blinded by the opportunity for bloodthirsty revenge - it's not a leap to imagine that the Russians ( who are being implicated) would have counselled different tactics and provided the resources to get the job done with a PGM tool.
As to the provenance of the "detailed information" - it's fairly clear that some spookery or fantasy is involved - if it's fantasy then the Medium Corporation might have been using a Ouija board - if spookery then one must assume some folk with the capability to intercept Syrian communications are in there.
tomo. Might I advise a truckload of NaCl with regard to this whole story. The "information" about "the meeting" presumably comes from the same source (Ouija board?). If the information comes from on the ground assets or from electronic surveillance then it's surely most unlikely that Medium Corporation had access to it, and if, by long chance, they did, they would have been shut down long since. A major part of the value of intelligence (especially of such high quality as this seems to be) is in the fact that those spied upon do not know that they are being.
Supertroll, I share your cynicism about election results. What you state is true in many countries, particularly in the Middle East, where voting with a "show of hands", does not necessarily mean one man, two votes, or one vote.
It now seems the Syrian Air Force is trying to prove they are still capable of flying. Trump may be considering a "Nothing Capable of Flying Zone". If so, the owners of planes not actually "Syrian", may want to fly them away.
Supertroll
The salt is a given for anything emanating from Syria.
The Air Traffic Control over Syria must be interesting. The 'Merkans, The Israelis, The Russians, the RAF in Cyprus, The Turks and finally The Syrians themselves will be earnestly peering at screens to divine who's up to what. The Pentagon have provided some snail trails for the Khan Sheykhoun action.
The demonstration of firepower by the US Navy would have swamped the capacity of any defence - I think that is the takeaway from this episode Everything else is shrouded in some confusion.
A demonstration of the big stick intended to impress the plucky NorKs a hemisphere away maybe.
"Well well well geronimo. There's facts, fake news and downright untruths."
She's telling lies?
"Well well well geronimo. There's facts, fake news and downright untruths."
Geronimo: the past year has exposed the mainstream media as not entirely trustworthy – and the lies are getting more and more audacious, so you could have a point, there. This lady is extremely brave in making these supposed lies public. It will be interesting to see if she survives much longer – and God help her to do so!
The Democrats keep implicating themselves in fresh scandals whenever they attack those that challenge them.
I think Mann might be a Democrat.
The GWPF are really annoying the Collaborators, on a far lower budget, their science matches reality, and the public understand value for money and common sense. Climate Science advances in the right direction, one failure after another.
Climate Science should have stayed out of politics, and not denied that Climate Science is bad politics. It is costing Politicians their careers.