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Wikipedia even has an entry for
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
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I don't think Steele has any escape route if he's challenged. The head of GCHQ resigning within a day of CIA bigwig Brennan could be just coincidence but got not much play here - if the resignation was forced by work failures he likely took several minions out as well...
tomo, so far, Steele has been allowed/encouraged to keep a very low profile. This would make him the easiest to blame, whilst preventing him from defending himself
More on Trudeau
Official Spokesperson's response to a query on invitation to Jaspal Atwal
February 28, 2018
In response to a query regarding invitation to Jaspal Atwal, the Official Spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said:
"We have seen the recent exchange in the Parliament of Canada regarding two invitations issued to Jaspal Atwal by the Canadian High Commissioner, for functions hosted in honour of the Canadian Prime Minister in India.
Let me categorically state that the Government of India, including the security agencies, had nothing to do with the presence of Jaspal Atwal at the event hosted by the Canadian High Commissioner in Mumbai or the invitation issued to him for the Canadian High Commissioner's reception in New Delhi. Any suggestion to the contrary is baseless and unacceptable.”
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will Trudeau + chums double down ?
HRC has a brass neck to go with her tin ear.
Time the old trout was sewing mailbags or whatever they occupy themselves with in US women's prisons.
Her crew's antics in Ukraine cannot be said to have improved anything - it's a tangled web - but it is difficult to think she's doing anything but trying to cause trouble between US and Russia to save her own wrinkled corrupt ass.
Inviting her chum Vladmir to Clinton Foundation dos while she's still US SoS ... pretty good....
It's simply a coincidence, anybody thinking otherwise is a conspiracy nut.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz's brother is in charge of the Awan brothers investigation
He's obviously the best guy for the job...
In other news the Seth Rich DNC leak thing won't go away ...
tomo, Debbie Wasserman Schultz is not having a very good time. Something to do with her support for St Hillary, even if she can't remember spending money to frame Trump.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/29/collins-clinton-dnc-testimony-russia-244290
Sen. Susan Collins said on Sunday that officials from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign should testify again before the Senate Intelligence Committee about funding for the so-called Trump dossier.
John Dickerson, host of CBS’ “Face the Nation,” pointed to reports that former Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta and former DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz had privately testified to the committee that they didn’t know who had funded the compilation of the dossier, reporting on alleged ties between President Donald Trump and Russia.
“Sitting next to Podesta was the lawyer from the Clinton campaign who paid for the report,” Dickerson added, in reference to Marc Elias, general counsel for her campaign.
“They absolutely need to be recalled,” the Republican senator from Maine replied. “It’s difficult to imagine that a campaign chairman, that the head of the DNC would not know of an expenditure of this magnitude and significance, but perhaps there’s something more going on here.”
“Certainly, it’s worth more questioning of those two witnesses,” she added. “And the lawyer — he more than anyone.”
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- thanks for that I hadn't seen that - phoo-arr.. that amnesia thing is getting a bit strained eh?
" they didn’t know who had funded the compilation of the dossier, reporting on alleged ties between President Donald Trump and Russia"
That's the sort of questioning that Trey Gowdy should be tasked with if I'm not mistaken....
But then again - I've not been that impressed in the past when congressional committees have questioned people - they have a remarkable knack for screwing up. The worst case I recall was when they questioned George Galloway - where they actually appeared to have done absolutely zero research and were made fools of.
The Wassermann Shultz and Awan brothers thing has the makings of a serious business all on its own - but I reckon that the Washington establishment is desperate to cover it up as it makes them all look like incompetent fools at best - at worst it might be the worst real breach in national security ever - the Awans weren't stupid - but they got arrogant and careless.
tomo, Wasserman Schultz has already been thrown under the wheels of the Democrat Bus, because of her links to St Hillary. The Democrats can't throw St Hillary after her, without admitting their own complicity in her misdemeanours, and that Trump had won. Again.
Nothing new here:
http://www.wbdaily.com/democrats/19141/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-fbi-clinton-abedin-20180302-story.html
Wasserman Schultz has been supportive of Israel, but she may have lost Democrats more financial support, whilst the source of the Clinton Foundation wealth comes under more scrutiny.
If the Democrats are looking for a Saviour, he/she will come from the ranks of those that supported Bernie Sanders.
http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/dailycaller/awan/awanseries.html
tomo, a lot of Democrat swamp drain-plugs seem to be linked to Awan. What sort of bungs were used to insert him, and how many leaks has he been part of?
I presume that by "employing" Awan, Democrats received sufficient donations from somewhere, to make it financially worthwhile.
Obama did hunt down Osama bin Laden, but some within his administration then became more receptive to overseas oil money, through Non Governmental Organised pipelines.
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the extents of Awan's penetration have yet to be revealed I suspect. As I understand it a group of them had unfettered access to Congressional IT resources. There doesn't initially seem to be an ideological angle - more of a monetising of privilege - but that would lead them logically to seek out stuff that had higher value.... Given that they had administrative system credentials it's logical that they had some access to other restricted information and likely the telephone system.
The utter insanity of allowing them to VPN in to US Govermental systems in Washington from Pakistan simply beggars belief - I'd wager that Islamabad / Karachi CIA folk were unaware :-)
In the meantime the sticky fingered elite in Pakistan are doubtless coining it in from the Chinese - looking at a short cut to East Africa I suspect.
I would not be at all surprised if the Pakistani ISI paid more attention to the Awans than the bureaucrats in Washington - anything juicy would command a hefty cash premium from not disinterested PLA folk lurking in that neck of the woods.
India seems quite unlikely to let it proceed unhindered.
Looks like Hilary Rodham Clinton is doing quite well from Trump Derangement Syndrome - she's milked the Democrat Party for $900,000 since last April - leading the resistance eh?
tomo, Pakistan fits in very nicely with China's growing property portfolio
https//www.voanews.com/a/pakistan-china-gwadar-port/4084175.html
GWADAR, PAKISTAN —
An unprecedented Chinese financial and construction effort is rapidly developing Pakistan’s strategically located Arabian Sea port of Gwadar into one of the world’s largest transit and transshipment cargo facilities.
The deep water port lies at the convergence of three of the most commercially important regions of the world, the oil-rich Middle East, Central Asia, and South Asia.
Beijing is developing Gwadar as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, known as CPEC. The two countries launched the 15-year joint mega project in 2015 when President Xi Jinping visited Islamabad.
Under the cooperation deal construction or improvement of highways, railways, pipelines, power plants, communications and industrial zones is underway in Pakistan with an initially estimated Chinese investment of $46 billion."
Osama bin Laden
Awan may just have been motivated by money, but Obama knew that Pakistan leaked information, and money was not the only motivation:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_support_system_in_Pakistan_for_Osama_bin_Laden
"Critics cited the very close proximity (800 yards) of bin Laden's heavily fortified compound (a custom-built luxury complex) to the Pakistan's National Military Academy (PMA), Pakistan's "West Point",[5] and that the United States chose not to notify Pakistani authorities before the operation, and the alleged double standards of Pakistan regarding the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai attacks. "
"US-government files leaked by Wikileaks disclosed that American diplomats were told that Pakistani security services were tipping off bin Laden every time US-forces approached. Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) also helped smuggle al Qaeda militants into Afghanistan to fight NATO troops. According to the leaked files, in December 2009, the government of Tajikistan had told US-officials that many in Pakistan were aware of bin Laden's whereabouts."
"The CIA Director and the US defense secretary Leon Panetta stated that Pakistan was "either involved or incompetent."
For an opinion from an Indian perspective, this is worth reading!
http://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/7140-clinton-presidency-will-be-disaster-india
Arvind Kumar is a political analyst based in the US. His view that Clinton was not trustworthy prior to the election, is supported by subsequent evidence.
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Pakistan is a curious place. After partition the upper echelons of natives simply slipped into the pre-existing colonial structures and by and large have stayed there. Very, very few / nobody pays any tax, the politics is for the most part utterly corrupt Nawaz Sharif (PM on and off for ca. 10 years) was a wholly paid for Saudi stooge. The drug business is huge. There are quite loopy Islamists dotted through the establishment (thanks I suspect to Saudi sponsorship) The "establishment" give the Baloch a miserable time (quite possibly subcontracting the Chinese to continue that)
Duplicity is ingrained in the system - back when Soviets were trying their hand in Afghanistan - the 'Merkans sent (lots of) weapons to be distributed gratis to likely mujaheddin - the Pakistanis tasked with delivery either sold the weapons or traded them for hashish / opium. Untold millions (billions) in aid has been poured in to little effect beyond the swelling of foreign bank accounts.
It seems a preoccupation of the elite to cozy up to rich foreigners - Saudis, Americans and now Chinese - they're not above banditry as the UN forces in Afghanistan found out when trying to run cheaper road convoys to Camp Bastion and the like.
That the Awans were actually operating from Pakistan - as I said above - and it bears repetition - is simply unbe-effin -lievable.
btw - I'm inclined to accept Benazir Bhutto's account of Usama Bin Laden's demise over Barry & Hils' "Gogglebox live" skit.
OK - NOT big news - fake account - but only in the link when copied = WTF
I was conned by a fake Trump Twitter account that I *don't* follow and wasn't liked or re-tweeted by another Twitter user I follow.
I just saw Twitter's disinformation just ratchet up a notch I think...
Googling Trump and Pakistan produces a list of people criticising US Policy for decades, and then criticising Trump for doing something different. One example is:
"Touqir Hussain, a former ambassador of Pakistan and diplomatic adviser to the Prime Minister, is adjunct faculty at Georgetown University and Syracuse University" (presumably he prefers the financial security and protection of living in the USA?)
https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/why-trumps-troubling-pakistan-policy-dooms-afghanistan-peace/
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Touqir Hussain would be pretty typical....
The Taliban are the biggest card Pakistan has to secure its interests in Afghanistan, and it would not give it up easily unless it knows what comes next.
- and then he goes off to threaten the Americans with the Chinese.
- doesn't mention at all what "Pakistan's interests in Afghanistan" actually are.
American policy has been a mess in that region for nearly 30 years... - and it needs a reboot if nothing else. Imho the Americans might as well walk away since some in Pakistan are intent on having another war with India and that animus is reciprocated by quite a few Indians. I think many in high places in Pakistan are quite happy to keep Afghanistan a basket case.
But again .... why would a sane person allow the computer network of the US Congress and more to be administered from such a place ....?
tomo, Benazir Bhutto was probably as corrupt as anyone else. She was probably assassinated by those who opposed her attempts to modernise/Westernise Pakistan.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto
"Following United States-brokered negotiations with President Pervez Musharraf, she returned to Pakistan in 2007 to compete in the 2008 elections; her platform emphasised civilian oversight of the military and opposition to growing Islamist violence. After a political rally in Rawalpindi, she was assassinated; the militant Islamist group al-Qaeda claimed responsibility, although the involvement of the Pakistani Taliban and rogue elements of the intelligence services were widely suspected. She was buried at her family mausoleum."
I do not know if it is still the case, but one region of Pakistan (can't remember which one!) supplied the "bulk" of the manual labour force, for oil rich Gulf State construction projects.
Mar 4, 2018 at 9:27 PM | tomo
My GUESS would be that employing Awan et al, attracted donations that far exceeded the salaries paid.
Awan may be from Pakistan, some money may have come via Pakistan, and some in Pakistan may have benefitted including some within the Government, but it may not have been an infiltration orchestrated by "Pakistan", just as blaming the "Russians" does not identify all those with a vested interest. Awan's financial support could be from anywhere, but probably Moslem and oil rich. The source may even have lost out in the recent "revolution" in Saudi Arabia.
Of the Democrats that employed Awan, how many were Team St Hillary as opposed to Team Honest Bernie Sanders? (I have no idea!) IF there was a bias towards St Hillary to support Moslem interests, then it won't just be Debbie Wasserman Schultz being asked questions, and many Democrat voters are going to be underimpressed.
I still think Awan was used as a greedy corrupt pawn, rather than someone prepared to die for someone else's cause.
Trump is in no rush to intervene, from Wikipedia:
"The Mid Term Elections will mostly be held on Tuesday, November 6, 2018. These midterm elections will take place in the middle of Republican President Donald Trump's term. All 435 seats in the United States House of Representatives and 34 of the 100 seats in the United States Senate will be contested. 39 state and territorial governorships and numerous other state and local elections will also be contested."
Benazir was corrupt - but her husband Asif Zardari's grasping sticky handedness is still the stuff of legend....
As far as her assassination is concerned - I think that there are few in power (there are a few) that want to change things much. The story behind her assassination afaik points to greed and power conflicts - the ISI + Taliban mainly. Keep the poor illiterate, landless and within sight of destitution - while trousering foreign "aid" and drug profits. I have been to parts of Karachi that make Dante's inferno look like a holiday camp. India is moving forwards - but I reckon Pakistan isn't.
Pakistanis do comprise a significant proportion of the workforce in the Gulf / Saudi - but the locals seem to keep them at arms length with restrictive contract arrangements from what I've seen. At one time almost all the non Mercedes taxi drivers in Abu Dhabi were Pathans from the Afghan border - but they got swapped out ... The work visas being a sideline for connected locals and changing them out regularly stops them thinking of the place as home...
Outsourcing your IT to Pakistan would be like getting your accounts done in Nigeria.
Here are the runners and riders for the Democrat race to challenge Trump. St Hillary still believes that people believe she is trustworthy.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-want-biden-over-clinton-sanders-mcauliffe-in-2020/article/2650611
"Former Vice President Joe Biden’s quiet run for the 2020 presidential campaign is already winning deep support in Democratic circles.
The pollster Rasmussen Reports reveals that already Biden has the backing of 37 percent of Democrats, a crushing blow to two others hinting at a repeat run, Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders. Clinton is second, at 14 percent, Sanders third at 11 percent.
Biden also leads when all voters are polled, not just Democrats. Said Rasmussen:
Among all voters, 25 percent prefer Biden, while 12 percent say Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Nine percent (9 percent) choose Clinton. Senators Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kamala Harris of California and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts are each the choice of four percent (4 percent) of voters. Two percent (2 percent) like former Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe. But 25 percent support someone else, and 17 percent are undecided. ..."
tomo,
more information available about Christopher Steele from Wikipedia, but given the source and subject, how much is genuine and trustworthy?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele
D Notices are respected by the UK MSM, but I expect they only serve to intrigue Editors and their senior staff. It is said by PR Consultants that there is no such thing as bad publicity, but Bell Pottinger proved this incorrect:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/sep/05/bell-pottingersouth-africa-pr-firm
"Much seemed at stake in January 2016 when a delegation headed by the veteran PR supremo Lord Bell jetted to South Africa to pitch for business from the Guptas, the Indian-born family at the centre of the nation’s biggest political scandal since the end of apartheid.
Bell Pottinger, the public relations agency that Margaret Thatcher’s favourite PR adviser co-founded with Piers Pottinger in 1987, stood to gain lucrative fees of £100,000 a month.
Bell needed a solid business win as collateral in a personal battle raging with Bell Pottinger’s chief executive, James Henderson, who was trying to force out his chairman, arguing that he was not bringing in enough work to justify his £1m-a-year personal salary."
As the EU, Prime Minister May and many/most of the House of Commons (all Political Parties) and MSM were conned by Steele's dodgy dossier, their confidence in the UK Secret Squirrel Services are undermined. Therefore they all have egg on their faces.
Christopher Steele must have started his company with some reliable income already confirmed, to have retired, and afforded such a prestige address.