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OK... it's in the rubbish Gannet Inc ghastly UK local rag fleet -but still - Kieran doesn't have the wits to pen it himself so emailed out from somebody in the USA Today offices "Inside The Beltway" - McClean, Virginia.

Hot Garbage

Covid-19 'not from a lab' as WHO calls for research into frozen foods

Feb 9, 2021 at 9:03 PM | Registered Commentertomo

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/02/in-peru-ivermectin-cut-covid-deaths-by-75-in-6-weeks-cheap-safe-and-quite-ignored/

Feb 10, 2021 at 3:09 AM | Unregistered Commenter..

Once they're back where they don't need food tasters

WHO Says Wuhan Lab-Leak Hypothesis Still A Possibility

- bit of a "pivot 180" ?

Feb 12, 2021 at 7:29 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Not a usual source of enlightenment ...

HuffPo have compiled some information on who's getting what out of the Government wrt coronavirus.

It is I feel, worth a read

Who profited from coronavirus spending in the UK

archived version

Feb 13, 2021 at 3:00 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Viva Frei touring a subject that isn't front and centre in the UK

HERE

It's all too easy to believe that public employees, the rich and entertainers are laughing at us for being locked down whilst they party / suck down full salaries?

Feb 21, 2021 at 9:29 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Bill Gates gave the Guardian $3,500,000 - to produce regular 'reporting' on global health topics. In September 2020

Feb 27, 2021 at 11:17 AM | Registered Commentertomo

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Feb 28, 2021 at 5:52 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Flu deaths drop off the chart

Mar 3, 2021 at 1:33 PM | Unregistered Commenter.

Covid reporting ?

in Israel

Mar 4, 2021 at 11:47 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Has anyone got a preliminary total of All-Cause mortality for UK 2020, to compare to past histories.
Have seen two so far 590,000 estimated and I think it was 604,045
They can declare as many covid deaths as they can, but its the bottom line total of deaths that shows the true picture.

Mar 4, 2021 at 10:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterBLACK PEARL

Recently, Yu Qingming, a delegate to the National People's Congress of the Communist Party of China and the party secretary and chairman of China National Pharmaceutical Group Co., Ltd. (Sinopharm), disclosed that Sinopharm's senior management had received the vaccine a year ago and claimed that the antibodies were still at a high level a year later, triggering a public outcry and questions about when the vaccine was first developed and where the virulent strain came from.

Mar 10, 2021 at 8:42 AM | Registered Commentertomo

tomo: that snippet could be explosive! Is there any corroboration?
I do wonder if it may be a slip in translation: perhaps he meant that they had the jab last year rather than a year ago and, when it was found they still have antibodies, it was taken to be a year on.
The only other alternative that I can think of is that they were given some sort of generic, pre-existing vaccine, maybe something that came out of the SARS episode they had.
Otherwise it's conspiracy theories all the way!!

Mar 10, 2021 at 2:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig

Scott Adams:

"What are the current recommended therapeutics for Covid-19 in the United States, ranked by effectiveness? And are the top ones in short supply?

- a question that the f-wits in UK MSM should be throwing at the briefings every week, substituting United Kingdom for United States?

re: SinoPharm

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1369417824226209796

and

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1369416637431099398

- one thing I do absolutely know is that western media comprehensively ignores non Anglophone Chinese media and social media where CCP are *VERY* active and not wholly co-ordinating how jingoistic stuff served for domestic consumption might be viewed by outsiders. There have been several speeches (in Mandarin) by high ranking CCP people that were outrageous when translated ... however the western MSM show near zero interest in either translating or examining what's being said.

CCP Anglophone social media content include a considerable army of language students on paid gigs and a bunch of gutless ex-pats some of whom would make Walter Duranty throw up.

Mar 11, 2021 at 1:05 PM | Registered Commentertomo

How long will the new crown vaccine work? Yu Qingming , representative of the National People’s Congress and Chairman of Sinopharm Group Sinopharm Holdings, disclosed at the National People’s Congress that in March 2020, the party and government leaders of Sinopharm’s fourth-level enterprise “tested medicines by themselves”. After one year of continuous antibody tracking and monitoring, they are still Maintained at a relatively high level without any significant decline. Previously, Sinopharm Group has stated to the outside that the new coronavirus inactivated vaccine can provide at least 6 months of protection.

(Li Xin, reporter from Central Broadcasting Corporation)


Google translated from HERE on archive.org

Mar 11, 2021 at 6:29 PM | Registered Commentertomo

So now the EU is talking of restricting vaccine exports to countries which have vaccinated more of their populations ("proportionally") and/or have not exported to the same extent.
This sounds like archetypal socialist dogma - dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

It also implies that the EU is exporting far more than others, with an overtone of altruism. I am deeply sceptical: I suspect that the EU's levels of exports are simply a consequence of being home to lots of manufacturers who are simply fulfilling their contracts.

Imho they are sailing into very rough waters if they intervene unilaterally in the manufacturers' contractual obligations. One consequence will be the inclusion in Force Majeure clauses of wording to cover illegal EU intervention. Another could extra insurance premiums to cover the risk.

Mar 17, 2021 at 10:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig

MikeHig

there's likely some contract lawyers licking their chops and planning renovations to their Tuscan bolt holes....

Mar 18, 2021 at 1:43 AM | Registered Commentertomo

The problem with national, backed by international governments, they can make their own rules up. Poor AstraZenica are being punished for success and failure. The EU owes them billions in lost sales (because they are interrupting prior orders) and reputational damage. Meanwhile Sanofi hasn't been punished at all but hasn't made a single dose.

Mar 23, 2021 at 11:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Tiny CO2: quite agree.
Adding insult to injury, AZ are providing their vaccine at cost - it is significantly cheaper than the others. So it is seen as the best option for poorer countries but the bad-mouthing by the EU has undermined confidence.
I hope there will be a silver lining for us in the form of increased local investment by pharmaceutical companies.

Mar 23, 2021 at 11:45 AM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig

France back in lockdown until May 4th.

Apparently a news item on Dutch TV commended our vaccine aquisition efforts which offered funding for companies to build/expand production facilities whereas the EU prevaricated and tried to haggle on prices. The summary was that the astute commercial measures we took put us first in line. ( This was second-hand from a friend with a Dutch wife so no links available).

Mar 31, 2021 at 9:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig

As I've just posted on Unthreaded, I'm increasingly having difficulty posting links, but if you search online for "Kate Bingham" you'll find out about the real hero (or am I still allowed to call her a heroine?) of the UK's vaccines success.

Apr 1, 2021 at 8:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Absolutely!
I will be very interested to read the whole story. I think we were doubly fortunate. Firstly someone took the unprecedented decision to set up an independent team and let them get on with it. Secondly they chose Ms Bingham to lead it.
This got a passing mention in Cummings' testimony the other day when he said "we decided to keep the vaccine programme away from the smoking ruin of PHE".

Apr 1, 2021 at 9:48 AM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig

Looks like corruption at best

WTAF is going on here

Apr 5, 2021 at 9:43 PM | Registered Commentertomo

All of a sudden immunity from having the virus within the past 6 months will be recognised by the imminent "passport" system. Why has it taken until now?
For all this time, afaik, anyone showing a positive test has had to isolate, even if they had confirmation of having the virus previously. I think Matt Halfcock was caught by this.
I hate to think how much time has been wasted, especially for health professionals, by the refusal to recognise "natural immunity" until now.
It would be interesting to know what changed their minds and why it took so long.

Apr 5, 2021 at 10:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig

I am somewhat bemused by the continuing reluctance to open up society, given that more than 5M people have now received both vaccinations, and almost half the population (well over half of the adult population) in the UK has received a first vaccination.

Vaccinations were (in my view, rightly) touted as the way to get back to normal. Now the goalposts seem to be moving, yet again. I've willingly had my first vaccination, both for my own benefit and to help society, and I'll be there on 1st June for my second one. It seems to me (and my opinion is, I think, vindicated by the difference between case rates, death rates, and hospitalisation rates in the UK and elsewhere with lower vaccination rates) that this level of vaccination has protected those most at risk, has "saved" the NHS, and leaves only those not at risk or with relatively small risk still unvaccinated (and those who do want to be vaccinated will be in the next few months). There has been no surge (quite the contrary) since children went back to school. And, as Mike Hig says, many of the unvaccinated have probably already caught coronavirus and have a level of natural immunity now. That being the case, I think we should open up now and get back to normal, before any more damage is caused to mental health and to the economy.

Apr 6, 2021 at 8:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Mark H: quite agree. Once again there's a lack of clear direction. Afaik there has not been a single case of anyone getting the virus after 30+m being vaccinated. I base that assertion on the lack of media hysteria which would have followed just one such example. That alone is a good cause for confidence that risks are now very low.
Now we are all being offered up to 2 free tests per week, sent to our homes, which seems very odd. With our present low rate of infections, if millions start testing there will be enough false positives to skew the data and, yet again, those cases will be told to isolate unnecessarily. This smells like another PHE blunder. They have finally got to the point where they can launch mass testing nationwide so here we go, totally disregarding the circumstances and the fact that it's about a year too late.
It would be far better to offer free antibody tests to identify those with immunity since it's one of the criteria for the vaccine "passports". I admit to being baffled by the controversy. Yes, it's tough on those who can't be vaccinated but I have no sympathy for those who have refused a vaccine. Provided it's only for a couple of months, I think/hope folk would accept the "discrimination" in the interests of the majority and getting the country going again.

Apr 6, 2021 at 9:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHig