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The BBC on the Sun.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13792479

Jun 16, 2011 at 4:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss H

The Bob has a new hit piece in the Grauniad aiming at the Daily Mail:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/16/daily-mail-climate-change?intcmp=122

And it points out that DMGT "achieved Carbon Trust Standard certification for all UK operations, including all subsidiaries" at the end of last year, for "good practice in carbon measurement, management and reduction".

..No company that wants to remain profitable can afford to ignore the risks of climate change.

Or the costs imposed by climate change legislation. What the Bob appears to have missed is the Climate Change Levy imposed on businesses. That would add nearly 0.5p/kWh to the Daily Mail's electricity bill but tax relief can be claimed to offset those green costs. The Bob seems to have confused altruism for normal opex reduction measures.

Jun 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterAtomic Hairdryer

Standbye generators will need to run intermittently to stop them gumming up with the biofuels from a long standstill. similar problems facing seasonal agricultural equipment, in the past combines etc tanks were filled at storage to prevent condensation in the fuel tank.Now we are faced with a total drain of the whole system because the biofuel in the diesel will go off and sulphur which helped prevent this problem is being removed.

Jun 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM | Unregistered Commenterjohn Lyon

Mike Jackson

I've already ordered the wood for next winter.

I have a full log store. 3 years supply for a normal winter. 2 years supply if it's really cold.
The next step is a fossil-fuelled generator for when the grid starts to fail.

Jun 16, 2011 at 1:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

James P: See my earlier comment.

Jun 16, 2011 at 1:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

This morning, on R4, Roger Harrabin was obliged to report about the recent reduction in solar activity and the likely result that the world would cool. Despite this, he was unable to resist telling us that greenhouse gases (longhand for CO2) were still a hazard!

If they work as he thinks, then they will help offset the cooling, but if they don’t, then he’s been selling us a crock for years...

Jun 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

There's more madness and waste of money to get rid of that pesky carbon dioxide "pollutant" at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-13739552
The BBC documentary about photosynthesis onTuesday night was extolling the virtues of carbon dioxide.
It's a mad world at the BBC

Jun 16, 2011 at 1:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Cumbrian Lad, you're right. We are in the realms of "if models and observations don't match, don't believe your lyin' eyes"!
Three different bits of research have pointed in the same direction and, yes, if they're right then temperature changes are going to happen now (in climate terms) and wouldn't it be a good idea if professors of atmospheric physics (especially professors of atmospheric physics) were scientist enough to accept the possibility that this might be something of significance?
Instead what we hear is the deafening clang of minds slamming shut.
I've already ordered the wood for next winter.

Jun 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

Mike, the reaction to the lack of solar activity story seems to be that the models forecast more warming than there was Maunder cooling. Is the real story here though that the solar activity may well change the global temperature in relatively short order (almost instantaneously in the grand scheme of things) and this would suggest that the theorised CO2 forcings must be much weaker than predicted, which would then in turn imply that the model predictions are too high anyway? Time to order more loft insulation I think.

Jun 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterCumbrian Lad

The DT has also got hold of the quiescent sun story at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8578014/New-Little-Ice-Age-in-store.html
It made a brief appearance on the front page yesterday but you need to go to >News>Earth for it.
I liked this (but not a lot)

But Joanna Haigh professor of atmospheric physics at Imperial College London, said global warming could override any cooling effect on the Earth's climate....
However, she cautioned: "Even if the predictions are correct, the effect of global warming will outstrip the sun’s ability to cool even in the coldest scenario.
And in any case, the cooling effect is only ever temporary. When the sun’s activity returns to normal, the greenhouse gases won't have gone away.
I'm not sure whether this is cognitive dissonance, bloody-mindedness, closed-mindedness, or just being dim.
She may be correct but it would be nice if, just for once, one of these clowns would admit that they might, just possibly might be wrong!

Jun 16, 2011 at 9:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

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