Tuesday
Jun282016
by 
Josh
Josh Bremorse - Josh 377
I think Brexit might need cartoons, so here is one plus some reading. A hilarious post by Julie Birchill in the Spectator and something a bit more sensible from 'futurist' Patrick Dixon:
Ignore 96% of what you are reading and hearing in the media, which is on the whole pompous nonsense.
Reader Comments (94)
Armageddon out........:o)
There was a petition a few days ago demanding a replay if Iceland beat England. That has happened but the petition seems to have disappeared from the government's e-petitions website. Was it really more frivolous than the one demanding a second referendum?
Roy! You owe me a new keyboard That was hysterically funny. Where can I vote for England to win?
'The chavs are all racists, that's the reason Brexit won'
....Julie Birchill imagines "the Remnants" conversation at Glastonbury
..Nice word that, progressives are the Remnants
One of the great ironies of Brexit, is that Sturgeon who has been splitting blood because ... because the English had the audacity to leave a union they didn't like ... has spent the weekend saying "we'll veto Brexit" and other claims like "the EU will fast track our membership".
However, whilst it now appears that the SNP have no means to block brexit - it has emerged that the UK can veto the fast track membership of Scotland.
Now it has been shown possible to grow vegetables on Martian soil, Scotland should send an expedition to that planet, there to create a self-sufficient colony whose economy will be based on selling barley and potatoes in the form of Whisky and Chips amongst themselves.
In this way they can create a sustainable Scotland. England's role will be regularly to supply the solar cells to provide dribs and drabs of electricity, and the Mars Bars to be deep fried in batter to provide a nourishing side dish so wee Krankie and the rest of the SNP leaders, who can't bear sharing a planet with 'Touries', won't starve as they plot from afar to persuade the rest of the Scots to follow their example.
This is the scariest part of the process where the EU tests how nasty it can be without freaking out the rest of the world and hurting themselves in the process. They want to be nasty enough to stop other countries leaving but reasonable enough to not let them realise that they are in the fly trap and soon they won't be able to get out. There's a lot of resentment out there over EU encroachment and one of the few countries with enough clout to resit it was the UK.
It doesn't help having the Remainians still fighting the referendum with predictions of doom, just as it didn't help Cameron going to the EU thinking the UK would vote to stay in. I can't decide if the political meltdown is a disaster or a boon. It gives us an excuse to not make any instant decisions but it also scares everybody.
Brilliant piece by Julie Birchill - absolutely nail on head...
To which I would like to add one of my favorite quotations - having witnessed Nicola Sturgeon's petulant little rants:
'Its not difficult to differentiate between a ray of sunshine and a Scotsman (or woman) with a chip on their shoulder...'
I hope The Eagles do not become prophetic....
You know - that line in 'Hotel California'...
'You can check out anytime - but you can never leave...'
Whats very encouraging is that the numbers suggest this is not a contrived class conflict.
Both the rich of the Home counties and the poor of the North and Wales have finally joined up.
The enemy (for the moment at least) has been identified.
That is euro communism.
As a result the crisis in both the Labour and Conservative party is simply delicious to observe.
Sadly the predicable Jacobite tendency of mainstream Gaelic nationalism has again been highlighted.
The absurd need to jump from one dastardly union into another is put into vivid relief by the eurosystems need to capitalistically expand.
Therefore this typical capitalistic running to stand still trajectory is painting all other political forces in vivid psychedelic colours.
I salute the English for taking one little brick out of this giant wall of deception.
The battle is as always a fight between the deluded wage slaves (both rich and poor)of the cosmopolitan heartlands and the remaining localistic and true nationalist forces.
I heard this sort of conversation in numerous pubs and my workplace over the referendum campaign. I think it explains how Remain managed to lose the vote.
IN: If we leave our economy will be damaged. All the experts agree.
ONLOOKER: That sounds believable. We trade a lot with Europe and the Poles work so hard.
OUT: That’s true about the experts. But they all agreed about the ERM too. They’ve been wrong before. In exactly that same way.
ONLOOKER: That’s true. If everyone agrees about the future then someone isn’t being heard. We just don’t know for sure.
IN: Well, what would you do if we Leave? What does Leave look like?
OUT: That’s for the Government to decide. We are only voting on who governs; UK or Europe.
ONLOOKER: But they are both awful. I just don’t know.
IN: You are gambling with our future.
OUT: At least we would have control to make our future.
IN: Control! That’s talking about immigration. You’re a Racist!!!
ONLOOKER: Hang on. I know him (or her). They are opinionated and annoying but not racist. That’s just being insulting. I’m voting Leave.
Perhaps you heard something similar?
Conversation in a pub in Manchester.
Whiner - my Brother works for the EU, he stands to lose his job if we Brexit.
Whiners mate - Better tell him to vote remain then.
Whiner - He cant. He is in Australia for four weeks on holiday.
Whiners other mate - wow. what does he do ? is he a bigwig ?
Whiner - Yes, he is high up in procurement.
Whiners mates. wow.
Whiner - he has a budget of half a million euros, he orders copiers and copier paper and other supplies.
Whiners mates - silence
Whiner - All sixty of the brits in the office will lose their jobs. Just think of the devastation to their families.
Everyone within earshot - thinking , four weeks in Australia. for ordering paper clips. sixty of them ???
Watch the Irish space.
Just as night follows day a strong Irish used currency relative to Sterling causes a certain and almost immediate implosion of the domestic scarcity / plantation economy.
The numbers are skewed because of the multinational sector but even wages in this sector is not spent much locally anymore given the scale of remittances in this sector.
Once the English tourists stop drinking our drink ration a further shortage of company tokens will be exposed.
Watched a absurd corporate "national debate" in Dublin Castle yesterday.
Their faces gave me a good chuckle at least.
The English ejection vote was worth it for that vista alone.
Magnificent desolation
Saw a nice analogy on Facebook earlier. It said that the Brexiters are like a cat howling at a closed door for hours, and when you go and open it, the cat just sits there looking through the door.
Did you watch the post-result special edition of Question Time? Despair! All the politicos from both sides in utter denial, contradiction and confusion. But unanimous that (1) the result was based, deplorably, on reducing immigration (2) the new politics must listen to the voices of the people and (3) immigrants are lovely people and we should welcome more of them. Where to from here with these idiots?
The one thing that surprised me during the campaign was how little anyone talked about immigration. Indeed, I think one of the big mistakes was spending too much time talking about immigration and not enough on the undemocratic structures of the EU.
@ NCC 1701E
I've been interested in space research since the 1960s and think that your suggestion of a Scottish colony on Mars is a fascinating one. As there is a historical precedent for this they could call it the Darrien Scheme Version 2.
Darien scheme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
This is a true story and not just apocryphal . While out canvassing for Vote Leave, I had a conversation with a sweet old lady of 93years. It turned out that she was as sharp as a button and well informed of the issues involved with the referendum. Despite having voted in every election up to that date, she found herself unable to make a decision as to which predictions for the future were most believable. As her advanced years meant that whatever way the vote went, she was unlikely to be affected, she'd come to the decision not to vote in the referendum but to leave the choice to the younger generation. We thanked her for her time and wished her well. A couple of houses further down the road our knock was answered by a man in his early twenties. By contrast he was barely aware that a referendum was in process, had no views on the issues involved and was not going to bother to vote. I thanked him for his time and left, muttering a prayer to myself for the state of our nation when it's left in the hands of those who can't be arsed.
EternalOptimist, I think you have identified the biggest crisis facing Britain due to Brexit.
Can any of the useless British EU dependent addicts be retrained and re-educated to provide a beneficial purpose to society? It is not surprising so many Eastern Europeans are employed in this Country. We need them, to make up for the practical Common Sense gap, that has grown in this country.
A whole generation of Britains finest clueless idiots has seen the EU as the best guarantee of a job for life.
I call them the "Remaindears".
The best quote on Brexit, was made years before it happened
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know." Donald Rumsfeld
There are known lies about Brexit. These are things we know that were lies. There are known uncertainties. That is to say, there are things we know we don't know were lies about Brexit. But there are also unknown lies about Brexit. These are things we don't know whether we don't know were not lies about Brexit.
Real Climate Scientists are not sure whether NASA satellites are going to record an increase in heated discussions all over Europe.
When I saw "George", I thought for a moment it was the Moonbat, who on some radio programme (on the BBC of course) foresaw environmental armageddon as we would not be capable of formulating our own environmental protection laws.
Jimmy Haigh, with respect to Julie Birchill's article:
"Rufus the wet nosed Remaindears"
(Wet nosed could have been snot nosed, bloodied nosed, brown nosed ........ )
Remorceful Remainer talking out of the top of his head?
Phillip Bratby, Environmentalist Armageddon is inevitable, as many won't have the price of a return air ticket anymore.
Many beach front hotel bars on exotic tropical islands may have to be dynamited to restore them to natural reefs and mangrove swamps.
What is the sentence for EU Apostasy ?
@golfCharlie
the missus did make a joke about 'a pot o clips now' , but I forget the exact words.
Wikipedia page seems to show that Greenland was already an independent nation when it left.
PS Surely Scotland would be allowed to stay in if EnglandWales left...cos it would be a new country coming in , so would have to fulfill a whole range of criteria and be approved by all.
...I don't think it's realistically possible to split up the oil fields.
..and an independent EnglandWales would not be forced to by Scotlands intermittent wind power.
(I met a windfarm salesman the other day the company actually turns out to be part of the cable company that was previously called Pirelli )
I've lost track of the number of referendums Scotland has had about independence, and every time they still voted to suck on the welfare teat of Westminster, so good luck with the latest effort Nicola.
As for Brexit, the skinny on it is -
Independence day.
Pointman
Remorseful Remainder (too late in the day?) growing a quiff "a la Donald"? Attempts at an "a la Boris" now beyond his tonsurial capabilities.
@Pointman
It's not really welfare as Scotland produces more chiefly primary products within the UK construct.
The people are just slightly brighter then the Irish and therefore wish to avoid a "national independence "farce.
Indeed as a sequel it could possibly be a even worse movie.
Think Independence day 1996 vs I.D. 2016.
It really is that bad.
Independence is nothing without monetary sovereignty.
I for one would prefer a union of Cork and Kerry and use the Blackwater river as a natural eastern border, thus preventing those alien Pale people coming down south.( small is beautiful)
However it's highly unlikely we would understand or wish to understand the concept of true independence.
For some funny reason it makes people's head hurt.
@TheDork, I rarely come across such political insight ...
Pointman
Remorceful Remainer wears brown hair-shirt after discovering voting slip still in his hand on Friday.
We aint out yet!
Brussels don't care for referendum results they just circumvent them eventually.
Thanks Josh - for keeping this site alive (barely)
regards
JonT
When Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU it will have the Euro which will be strong compared to the Pound. There are currently 30,000 UK government jobs in Scotland which will have become off shored to a foreign state with a strong currency by this move. Normally jobs are off shored to countries with weak currencies. So an instant opportunity to either on shore to UK or further off shore to our growing number of economic partners in the rest of the world outside the EU. Am I or Nicola missing something?
The EU vote has nothing to do with AGW. Linking AGW to politics devalues and trivialises the arguments. Its no different to warmists claiming 'if you're a denier, you must be right wing'.
Oakwood said "The EU vote has nothing to do with AGW".
Yes it does. When independent we will be able to use our own judgment on policies concerning AGW.
AGW *is* politics. Politics with a sciencey-looking veneer. The climate obsessed are all about political power. They are unable to debate or defend their obsession. They are only able to go on offense and push for power and demand for other people's money.
Even Mann admits he can only "tease out" the anthropogenic signal.
@Oakwood there has been a lot of moving off topic, but tonight at 7.45pm Channel 4 news featured a long report on how Brexit will probably cause UK Climate Policy to fall apart featuring our old IMPARTIAL chums , Doug Parr from Greenpeace, and Christiana Figures
I think this report from advertising site Phys.org is based on it
Another parallel is that there is a real world and Guardian Reader fantasyland ...and this Brexit thing is making the GR's aware that although they think they are the cools ..many think they are the fools.
Another parallel compare it to media coverage of Paris agreement.
When the Paris Climate agreement results came out the media were keen to show scenes of jubilation from Paris
..When the Brexit referendum results came out it was not really Farage nor signs or jubilation that were aired the media went straight to opponents with coverage seeming 75% on them
On Green issues I guess the media would say 'there is no opposition ..only deniers'.
- Ah in EU Parliament today Farage achieved major success against them all, yet C4's News reporter is in attack dog mode youtube
@Son of Murder
Strong or weak currencies is beside the point.
What matters is..... can you afford to consume the production.
If we look at internal Eu trade we can see euro countries are structured to export physical wealth to England and England is structured to consume it.
The essential economic problem within Europe is the extreme rationing required to sustain the depreciation inbedded within the consumer war economy.
The "jobs" currently created have no function other then the hoops you need to jump through so as to access purchasing power.
National bidding for jobs does not increase living standards.
For example there has been talk in Ireland of getting a cut of Londons financial surplus.
However this will merely increase inflation beyond the ability of the local population to consume.
(For example further increasing Dublins house prices)
Dublin is a minor financial capital and yet the locals have been displaced.
More growth will sustain more displacement and dysfunction.
The purpose of economic activity should not be to increase your hoard of money tokens.
The function of economic activity in a rational system is to consume the surplus.
Present economic systems are not doing this.
"UN climate chief Christiana Figueres told an audience of business and policymakers at the annual Business & Climate summit in London today" according to the Guardian
Another article there : The inter-generational theft of Brexit and climate change | Dana Nuccitelli
But France 24TV claim Brexit throws spanner into EU climate policy
Brexit is a sign of civil disobediance as downtrodden rise up and it could encourage similar rebellion in other countries ..like the public standing up to Climate bullies.
Brexit
Armageddoff?
Remorceful Remainer also keeps changing his mind about wall colour.
"When independent we will be able to use our own judgment on policies concerning AGW."
"AGW *is* politics. Politics with a sciencey-looking veneer. The climate obsessed are all about political power."
All you are achieving is to feed into the propaganda message that AGW-sceptism is driven by political belief, rather than facts and science - more often a right wing / Republican / Trump view of the world (and I know, many Brexit voters were not right wing). I agree that too often, environmentalists link themselves to 'moral' socialism. But we should maintain the position that AGW-scepticsm has nothing to do with politicis or ideology, but is driven by evidence, facts and a passion for honest and transparent scientific debate, regardless of politics.
Clearly, many here have passionate views on Brexit/Remain (as do I), but its wrong to mix it with the AGW debate.
Remourceful(?) Remainer. " But wait; did George ever use the word 'armageddon'? Think I'll check to see what my pension investments are doing".
It's a paaaaaaarrrrrty!!!
Ayla (halo be her name). Enigmatic. Are you referring to late celebrating brexiteers, or to Brother Corbyn's final plea? In eithercase: so dignified.