Discussion > Drs against Diesel : A subsidy mafia Front
Oh dear the Times Economic Editor is a green fantasist
Jun 3, 2015
Solar power will soon be replacing oil...even Saudis believe so...
Philip Aldrick via
http://thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/share/uuid/8d728d78-0932-11e5-ba2b-37dd9fc86f2b
Nov 5
Philip Aldrick, the economics editor of the Times,
looks at an example of the “internal contradictions of government policy”
– the handling of schools hoping to install solar panels to cut emissions and provide cheap energy
He claims in past years it made sense for schools to install solar
but not now cos the value of the solar panel is taken into account on the rates
and the Feed in tariff is lower
Doh ..they are still subsidised by granny ..and that is wrong.
stewgreen
stewgreen
Solar thermal just about stands on its own without subsidy - I have yet to see the virtue signalling twerps pushing photovoltaics pushing that - and that adds to the perception that "solar schools" is about indoctrination rather than heating and light.....
Aldrick is a tosser.
tomo
Solar Thermal
thats those bird burning towers like Google's
where's your example of it working ?
cos projects have often been abandoned.
stewgreen
Times pg 16
UN warns of 30ft sea surge unless emissions cut now via @thetimes
Why its PR not news
... cos its a ridiculous dramaqueening claim
More
Times response to UNEP report:
'New technologies are needed to help stop global warming
screenshot
https://www.twitter.com/GSmeeton/status/1199615715231326208
stewgreen
Stewgreen: thermal solar does work, with limited success, in this country – but not the sun-focussing mirrors to which you refer. The original panels on roofs was this system, where the sun heated water flowing through the blackened panels, with the glass covering helping to retain the heat (I don’t think they filled the air-gap with CO2, though – obviously missed a trick, there!). I have been assured by people who had these panels that it did work, though they would have to wait until late in the day for a shower, etc, etc… so, not an overwhelming success. That said, it is probably far more cost-effective, and safer, than the “new” photovoltaic system.
Radical Rodent
RR I think you mean solar hot water panels work.
Which is true.
However if you had £4K rather than use it to provide hw panels for one house
you could replace the old gas boilers for 5 houses with new gas instant water heaters.
The actual overall CO2 saving would be bigger.
stewgreen
After 2 years the Times #dieselsRpaedos campaign mentions the particulates on the tube network
which I think are iron dust.
The problem with raw counts, is that it does depend what the particles are.
"The London Underground is the dirtiest metro in the world with levels of pollution up to 15 times higher than at street level.
A study found that some deep-level Tube lines had a far higher concentration of fine particles than networks in Beijing, Los Angeles, New York, Seoul, Sydney and Barcelona
.. Yes well modern metros have been built with lower dust
eg by using rubber tires, and stronger extraction fans.
stewgreen
Their metric was PM2.5
and the stats are thrown out by the older underground networks
like the Northern Line ... and the Victoria which is double again
6 lines the quote have figures lower than street level.
As ever the only thing that counts is the particulates that reach your lungs.
Not the reading in the worst corner of a station.
stewgreen
#1 BBC News - Bristol council adds diesel vans to fleet despite plan to ban ALL even the cleanest diesel cars from city centre.
#2 BBC News - Bristol diesel ban: Council halts £6m new van rollout
https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-50613971
Marvin Rees makes hand brake u turn on vans.
stewgreen
Martin Rees is a tw*t - that's the long and short of it.
Quite why Bristol keeps voting for Labour is a bit of a mystery ....
tomo
Steve Milloy @JunkScience
How stupid is this article? Judge for yourself.
Measures to reduce air pollution quickly result in big health benefits
"For instance, when Ireland banned smoking in workplaces in 2004, the number of people dying from any cause fell by 13 per cent after just a week"
FFS saying stuff like that is no reflection of reality.
Its almost giving the impression that the dead will come back to life.
https://www.twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1203343221247676417
stewgreen
Friday's Mail : Britain's Toxic Playgrounds
It starts by talking about St Paul's Primary in Hammersmith
"Second most polluted school in the capital", cos next to flyover with 100,00K vehicles/day
"We've now got 17 mature trees , ivy cladding , lots of shrubs.."
Stop ... actually all ivy is mildy toxic and brings a rash on most people if they touch it .. so now your kids will be breating its particles.
The BHF say that living near some roads is like smoking 150 cigs/day
Spiegelhalter would not agree with that
..to me the article is full of junk like that
"costing the economy £20bn in health care and sick days"
Really £20bn thr 60m people
1bn for 3mn
£1000 for 3 people
£330K for each 1000 people
That's strange cos no one is in hospital through air pollution
all it does it make existing conditions worse.
Next example a Sheffield school
"barriers with 3 layers, tge first being an IVY screen" doh
the waxy leaves trap pollutants until it rIns
Another layer is conifers/bamboo, then shrubs
Hang on .. won't more kids get hayfever ?
This is the diesel cockup again
sponsored by Grantham Centre for Sustainable Futures
FFS ...the greenhedgefund mafia
Third example Blackwall
"360 ivy plants were planted around the perimeter."
@Tomobare you reading this
stewgreen
stewgreen
yep
- increasingly these days I regard the stuff that shows up in the MSM as "look what I just pulled out of my backside".
The UK's schools seem to be inundated with lefty twerps who perceive environmentalism as a catch-all topic (with unassailable moral authority) that they can flog the kids, parents and anybody else in earshot with.
I very much doubt the trees etc. have much discernable effect on air quality ( deflecting it over the top maybe under certain circumstances ) - not that the effin clowns involved do much actual measuring - since the proper kit is £50k plus and likely about the same amount for competent operators and analysts.
Locally the activist teachers are marching the little darlings in the traffic....
tomo
Wednesday the #dieselsRpaedos page is 24
#1 92% of councils 67,000 vehicles are diesel, 3% are EV
yet they want to charge everyone else to drive in city centres.
That would be true for existing ULEZ scheme in London I guess.
#2 Cherrypicked claim our shipping CO2 is worse than cars.
shipping 14.2mT
vs 13.9mT for the 17 biggest city
..yeh well why cherrypick only those cities ?
source The EU "Transport and Environment NG" @transenv
stewgreen
Tuesday claim that heart transplant patients do better if they live in low pollution areas.
hmm there'd be other biases
eg poor suburbs tend to be the most polluted
wheras rich people probably go and live at their country house.
stewgreen
I recall public 'elfs in Scotland claiming a 25% reduction in heart attacks north of the border for the first year of the smoking ban - completely unchallenged by anybody outside the smoking community.
It is a real problem that these gits are inured to being able to produce numbers out of their backsides with a certainty that they won't be challenged.
I think a little research would show that many of the same mendacious gits populate the anti smoking and air pollution fields.
tomo
"Zero-emission street to totally ban petrol and diesel vehicles"
Why it's BS
cos #1 every council still has a vehicle fleet which 95%+ diesel/petrol
so they are not going to ban bin lorries nor emergency vehicles etc.
#2 It's probably London : and that's where they allow the mini-cab drivers to do a trick
: to enter the zone for free cos they are driving an old Prius
but to be actually polluting it, cos the battery is clapped out so they are always running on the engine.
stewgreen
Today's Times campaign page
-1 Mother blames Boris for London pollution at time of 2013 asthma death
.. that's the mother who wouldn't accept the first inquest
-2 Cleaner Air would ease the NHS winter health crisis
Times letter signed by 169 doctors
but those listed are unknown to us here.
keyword NHSwinterpollution
-3 Lord Deben has said something about emissions
.. just spin cos actually he was banging on sbout his Climate biz
stewgreen
The government response letter
basically says
The demands are the same as their plans
"We have committed to legislating in the Environment Bill for a legally binding target on PM2.5
with the date to be set based on independent advice on what is achievable"
https://deframedia.blog.gov.uk/2019/12/18/government-response-to-letter-linking-air-pollution-and-the-nhs-winter-crisis/
stewgreen
The Times disturbing eco-charity Xmas appeal continues
TIMES CHRISTMAS APPEAL
The Times Christmas appeal: pupil power shines through in quest for a better world
.. The children of Ludwell Primary School are so enthusiastic about saving the environment that they write notes to their teachers if they catch them leaving a light on or forgetting to turn off their laptops.
Their campaigning zeal for conserving electricity comes from regular assemblies about creating a healthy planet. If they need reminding of how their small Wiltshire village school is doing its bit to fight climate change, all they need do is look up at a roof, which is covered in solar panels.
The £12,500 cost of the 36 panels was raised by the children with the guidance of Possible, a charity that brings people together to combat climate change and is supported by The Times Christmas Appeal. The charity gave ..//
stewgreen
The "Zero-emission street to totally ban petrol and diesel vehicles"
is not a normal street its a kind of access tunnel that runs under the Barbican in London
I bet vehicles don't often run on it
I do wonder if the bin lorries come from the other side of the buildings etc.
stewgreen
Tue Times letters
PR bumf from Prof Michael Grubb of Imperial
.. I'd guess he's just a Grantham Green-hedgefund puppet
stewgreen
5:38 PM stewgreen
am I a bad person for wanting The Barbican to become really zero emissions?
tomo
'Mothers call for action after toxic air forced them to move"
Why it is PR BS
- It is almost certainly a cutNpaste job from an NGO who first want Green measures and then constructed a narrative using their own activists
3 women
-One in Leeds ..the cycle route to the station is smoggy
.. so why does she need to go to the train station often ?
- One in Manchester ..not actually moving
- One who moved from Honk Kong to Hackney .. but not moving again
"they launched a petition yesterday"
stewgreen
Tuesday November the Times had a large editorial condemning Delhi air pollution
Then on pg 30 an article : Delhi facing catastrophe as millions choke on smog
Makes the claim 1.24m die/year
Delhi pollution is around 10 times worse than London
see the graphs I tweeted from the Saturday article and from the Tuesday article
First graph is the Aur Quality index with Delhi on over 200 and London on 30
The second graph is of Delhi PM2.5 fine particulate pollution
from the Times on November 5th
Delhi 113.5 London 12
Delhi is where the #AirPollution focus should be
But they are not the market for UK subsidised electric cars
nor Sadiq's political games