Phil, I was referring to this : "The Gatestone Institute you linked is a good example, wiki describes the body as 'accused of being islamophobic, and of promoting falsehoods and paranoia'. Wiki is not per se trustworthy, but you can at least read the sources it provides - and make a judgement as to how credible you find them" 11.08am
Sorry if you felt I was misquoting you.

Martin A at 2.04pm.

Many thanks for the additional observations.

I'm afraid I had no joy finding the book at the library (not one library in Cumbria holds it, apparently) so will be on the look-out for it locally in bookshops etc (I don't do Amazon. I'm too old-fashioned).

Martin A

Many thanks also for the links. I'll give them a go (assuming I can satisfy myself the first link is legit - as you say, the second one certainly looks as though it is).

So far as Amazon is concerned, I just do without stuff generally! I guess I'm too old-fashioned for my own good. I even have an 88 year old aunt who shops at Amazon regularly, but I can't quite bring myself to do it.

Prof. Martin A. My sincere apologies. I falsely assumed that you were talking about a time when you did not have experience of dealing with Middle Eastern students and therefore were not in a senior position. I did only "venture" my opinion and accept you rebuke.

Since almost everything else I venture when discussing this subject seems to mightily offend I shall desist in imposing them upon you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPtNON6sHXw

Whether you agree with it or not, it sums up the what realists... sorry, "fascists, Islamophobes, white nationalists" ((c) the progressive left) think about the Swedish issue...

Virtue is its own reward, sometimes it is betrayal.
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Rocks thrown at police, cars torched, shot(s) fired, shop windows smashed. Order restored by midnight.

Unlike the Kista riots of 2013, which persisted for 5 days.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/24/world/europe/sweden-riots-fifth-night/index.html

a link to CNN ?

To balance the Infowars BS.

CNN, the Clinton News Network, soon to be so shown?

It highly amuses me that the Clinton camp promoted 'fake news' when the Democrat emails started to come out. That news wasn't fake, and the meme of 'fake news' has completely backfired upon her and hers. There was hubris, and here is nemesis.
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Heh, ACORN 'now-shuttered'. HuffPo fake newsing about why; you've got it right there, tomo.
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"Sweden took in a record 163,000 asylum seekers in 2015. Sexual offences declined by 13% between 2014 and 2015, to about the same rate as 2005.."

"Quite. I was referring to the whole population, over the last few years when Sweden started taking in refugees and asylum seekers in large numbers. Geronimo's comparison was between two years, 2015 and 2005, and before correction, for offences against women only. Also, during that period the legal definition of rape in Sweden was broadened, so an increase in reported offences is unsurprising. Apples and Oranges."

"Quite" indeed. You didn't say it was the whole population, but you did say it reduced by 13% between 2014 and 2015 and reached 2005 levels. In fact there was a decrease of 30% between 2013 and 2014 but rose by a staggering 70% between 2014 and 2015 caused entirely be sexual offences against women.

So apples to apples Swedish Crime Survey for the whole population rise in sexual offences rose by 87% between 2005 and 2015, it did not fall by 15%. In the same period, sexual assaults on women rose by 89%. I don't doubt that the reclassification of the sex laws had some effect on those numbers, but they are huge, and we should not play them down.

"it did not fall by 15%" should have read 2015 figures were not the same as 2005.

Indeed. The uptick in the number of women in the Crime Survey reporting themselves as exposed to sexual offences is worth investigating, even if it is large when expressed as a percentage change but still a change from a small number to a slightly less small number.

However the number of actual reported incidents tells another story. While there is an increase since 2005, the majority occurred before 2010.

In 2015, a total of 18,100 sex offences were reported; this is an 11 per cent decrease as compared with 2014. The number of rapes reported to police decreased by 12 per cent to 5,920 between 2014 and 2015. Reported offences regarding sexual molestation and sexual coercion, exploitation etc. also decreased to 8,840 (-8 %) and 1,430 (-6 %) respectively. The decrease seen in these types of offences was in turn preceeded by a rise in 2014. This can in part be explained by a number of cases that included a great many connected offences relating to rape, sexual molestation, sexual cohersion and exploitation.

In the Swedish system, individual reports regarding a great number of offences may affect and give rise to variations in the statistic. For instance, when a single case is reported that turns out to involve hundreds or even thousands of instances of offences committed against an individual over the course of many years, every single incident is recorded as an offence in the year it was reported. It is also important to remember that non-reporting is particularly extensive for sex offences and changes in the inclination to report can affect the number of rapes in the statistic.

The number of reported rape offences has increased over the last ten years (2006-2015). The increase can be partially explained by the entry into force of new sex offence legislation on 1 April 2005. This legislation entails, among other things, that certain acts which were previously classified as sexual exploitation are now classified as rape. The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual coercion and exploitation declined in the years immediately following the statutory change while the number of reported rapes increased. As from 1 July 2013, the sex offence legislation was again made tougher; among other things rape was expanded to include cases where the victim reacts passively.

And in both the crime survey and reported offences, for all crime there is no great surge in the years of heavy immigration.

Source

https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html

And here are some interesting figures about Malmo

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/closer-look-killing-fields-sweden

Clarke: So there's no problem with rape and assault in Sweden due to immigration? You believe you've proved that? Why would you want to?

Clarke, so I was wrong about the increase in the records of 89% increase of sexual offences of women. Why would you want to prove that? It's not wrong.

Clarke: So there's no problem with rape and assault in Sweden due to immigration? You believe you've proved that? Why would you want to?

I never said that; I am merely pointing out that the figures do not support the overheated rhetoric of Trump, apparently informed by a distorted piece on Fox News.There is no great immigration-fuelled crime wave.

Clarke, so I was wrong about the increase in the records of 89% increase of sexual offences of women. 

From the Crime Survey, women exposed to sexual offences :2005 1.6%, 2014 1.8%, 2015 3.0%. So yes, an increase of 87% since 2005 and a one year jump of 66% 2014 to 2015. I don't recall disputing that. Large scale immigration began around 2012 and the uptick corresponded with the peak year of 2015. That's a correlation, even if the absolute number remains small. However it also correlates with a change in the legal definition of rape, so why you attribute all of the rise to immigrants is a mystery. Especially as the number fell by 25% in the preceding year. Were all the immigrant rapists on a gap year, or should we in fact not be too hasty in assigning significance to large percentage variations in a small number? And the trend in reported incidents appears negatively correlated, rising steadily to 2005, peaking again in 2014 and actually falling in 2015. I confess I don't understand that. Do you?

As for assault, the figures for crimes against the person show no trend overall and specifically for assault actually a steady downward trend from 2.7% in 2005 to 2.0% in 2015. Using your methodology that’s a 35% drop. Would you attribute that change entirely to the asylum seekers and refugees as well?

https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html