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Well quite. At no point has banning fracking been an offical Biden policy position. You have to creatively interpret offhand remarks to make the point. Imagine if we took every Trump tweet as policy, we'd have banned wind turbines by now because on Planet Trump they cause cancer.

Apart from anything else the majority of fracking happens on private land and would require an Act of Congress to make it illegal, which would be unlikley to make it past the polluting lobby. The Biden energy plan is clear, they will not issue any new permits on federal land, so the inital impact of a Biden win on the industry would be negligible, you alarmist, you.

Oct 26, 2020 at 11:43 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

AK, the US Constitution is designed to prevent large populous states from lording it over the smaller ones. If Biden wins, there could be two new states, and Presidential elections by popular vote. The USA would become a one-party country.

( I know, it more or less is one now ).

CNN comes to the rescue of oppressed social media :

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1320383380907827201

Oct 26, 2020 at 11:51 AM | Unregistered CommenterCharly

AK - a "draw" within the existing system.

PC - you missed The Biden energy plan is clear "as mud" bit => no more fossil fuels and millions of jobs from "renewable energy" - you believe that? - no creative interpretation required there - it's a cul-de-sac.


CNN trying to move on from their Toobin moment there then. Alphabet, Facebook and Twitter need rescuing? - they need MySpacing - and I say that as a loyal Google user from the late 1990s.They could have stuck with being service providers and playing both sides against the middle - but they chose to use their reach to apply overall influence - and imho, that is wrong.

Oct 26, 2020 at 11:58 AM | Registered Commentertomo
Oct 26, 2020 at 12:25 PM | Registered Commentertomo

I’m fully aware of the US electoral system thank you very much.
In attempting to prevent large states from “lording it over smaller ones” the US abandoned awarding the presidency to the most popular candidate (not just in 2016, but several times in the past). Not only does this system throw up presidents who fail to win the popular vote, but it also means that the votes of larger states are worth less than those of small states.

Winner doesn’t take all.

Oct 26, 2020 at 2:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterAK

Phil. Look at a map of US Federal Lands in the Wikipedia entry for that topic and repeat that a fracking ban would have negligible impact. As an example, recently the USGS identified the Permian Basin as the repository of an extraordinary quantity of oil in tight reservoirs that can only be obtained by fracking. Guess what, much of that Basin lies beneath Federal Land in New Mexico.

Oct 26, 2020 at 3:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterAK

AK, the European Council has the same principle. FPTP in the UK does go some way towards keeping out some of the loopies.

If Biden loses the popular vote, it will be the fault of "alt-right" sites spreading smears about the Biden family.

I'm surprised that you don't support a candidate with a sensible energy policy, who avoids getting into wars and stands up to the CCP with his economic policy.

I understand that yesterday's ST had an article on polling in the US. Here's some info on what is happening on the ground :

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/10/25/big-tech-panicking-trumps-grassroots-maga-army-working-around-platform-controls/

Oct 26, 2020 at 4:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterCharly

The proposed 'ban' is actually a commitment not to grant any new leases or permits for fracking on federal lands - which only covers around 10% of US fracking (0.1% in the swing state of Pennsylvania, where JB has a 5-point lead). Existing operations will continue. So the effect of the policy become greater over time as permits elapse and are not renewed - but the initial impact would be small, as I posted.

fracking has to continue because we need a transition (there is) no rationale to eliminate fracking right now.

JB - CNN Town Hall.

Oct 26, 2020 at 4:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Biden claimed Solyndra would create jobs and long-term growth.

$535,000,000 of tax money down the toilet and rushed through by Biden evading due diligence.

Mrs Jobs Journal likely wouldn't print this these days.

Biden's Energy Policy ? hell, yeah...

Oct 26, 2020 at 5:02 PM | Unregistered Commenter.

Solyndra eh?

It would've been amusing if George had have thrown that at Joe in the TV debate

Oct 26, 2020 at 7:49 PM | Registered Commentertomo

I see some recordings are going to be played this evening

Oct 26, 2020 at 8:09 PM | Registered Commentertomo
Oct 27, 2020 at 1:00 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

If you're going quote mining it does help if there are nuggets to be found - Kamala Harris's words seem to stand up on their own - or was there some actual extra context that negates the use? Not exactly cassetteboy territory - is it?

Half a billion dollars spaffed on Solyndra in what was clearly a fraud would be something of an open goal, considering the extensive PR from the usual suspects at the time - I still find it quite weird that the stolen funds were not aggressively pursued - was it simply swerving the embarrassment of being shown publicly to be a miserable fuck-up or were the funds disbursed to chums on the understanding there were to be no consequences?

Oct 27, 2020 at 10:14 AM | Registered Commentertomo

And whoosh, there go the goalposts, from what Biden said to what Harris said. Harris has opposed fracking in the past, however she now supports the Biden Climate/Energy plan. That would be the best place to look for a detailed, nuanced description of what the Biden/Harris policy actually is, rather than a montage of deceptively edited clips from the Trump campaign.

Oct 27, 2020 at 10:55 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Where would be the best place to look for a detailed, nuanced description of what the Biden/Harris policy actually is ?

today even....

Ah, Okay....... whatever you say

Oct 27, 2020 at 11:47 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Moving on, how about a dive into

"A Timeline of Curious Events Surrounding Biden, Kazakhstan, & Iran."

https://www.olbert.us/biden-nuclear-blackmail-kazakhstan-iran-jcpoa

Explains why Trump wasn't so keen on JCPOA. A Biden win would see it back on track in no time.

Oct 27, 2020 at 12:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterCharly
Oct 27, 2020 at 8:45 PM | Registered Commentertomo

If only Adam Schiff had been persuaded to retract huh?

Mr Bobulinski speaks

I had to dig the link out of my browser history - searches failed this morning

didn't happen .... Bobu-who?

Oct 28, 2020 at 9:25 AM | Registered Commentertomo
Oct 28, 2020 at 10:00 AM | Unregistered Commenter.

And we wouldn't want that would we?

Oct 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Bobu-who?

Oct 28, 2020 at 12:04 PM | Registered Commentertomo

How to get 50/1 on The Donald.

Oct 28, 2020 at 12:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

How to get 50/1 on The Donald.?

The betting equivalent of clickbait - >not do-able< - and only a £1 stake allowed - but the promo code doesn't work.

otherwise

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Trump 13/8

Oct 28, 2020 at 1:18 PM | Registered Commentertomo

50/1

Mobile app bets only but *promo code works when you register* - £1 maximum.....

Oct 28, 2020 at 1:48 PM | Registered Commentertomo