Discussion > President Trump
@PC
it doesn't look from here as if you've got it at all tbh.
At best you seem ideologically blinded and/or willfully ignorant.
tomo
Pot. Kettle. LOL.
Phil Clarke
Thirsty horse, pond
I'm not an unalloyed DJT fan - the top end of Amercan politics is a complicated cesspool and the simplistic Trump hate regularly overshadows real issues - and the Clintons + chums have real issues - you deny that?
tomo
Got any examples?
Phil Clarke
Phil Clarke
I see. We should be grateful that the lying criminal made it into office, as the counterfactual, hypothetical alternative would have been far worse.
Got that. Thanks.
Oct 18, 2017 at 1:59 PM | Phil Clarke
The family finances of the Clintons and their personal Foundation make the Trump family seem like amateurs.
golf charlie
Same question.
Phil Clarke
gc
It's not just the Foundation but the collateral damage like Comey and Mueller and the rest who perceive that they might have to be competent and honest in their public duties rather than connive, bribe and blackmail their way to a place at the trough.
I don't think PC is interested in watching the YouTube piece ....
Years ago I believed that the Whitewater and Ken Starr investigations etcetera were baseless smears against the Clintons - but subsequent events and the slow leak of information about how the Clintons operate has made me look closer and read wider - it's difficult to escape the perception that they are calculating and very slippery with scant regard for principle and ethics and any political position they take is entirely cynical and self serving (apart from Chelsea and she seems plain stupid and quite tone deaf).
It looks like quite a lot of Americans are ready for the uncomfortable truths to come out - how far the establishment will go to protect itself is still a matter of conjecture.
@PC Krugman? iirc few have got rich following his tips.... examples eh? - watch the effing video
tomo
Paul Krugman is a Nobel Prize winning economist, not a stock tipster. For the click-averse, In the linked piece he enumerates 10 lies that have been asserted about the Trump tax plan.
Phil Clarke
@PC
and Barry O'Blimey won the Nobel Peace Prize
You mistake status for competence
tomo
Me and the Nobel Committee, presumably.
As for Molyneux, I pass.
Phil Clarke
Krugman's Nobel proves the failure of Climate Scientists
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/13/paul-krugman-shows-why-the-climate-campaign-failed/
Perhaps it was Clinton's delusions about Climate Science Economists that led to her failure. They seem equally untrustworthy, and therefore well matched.
golf charlie
Why the ad homs for Krugman? Rather than attacking his ten comments about taxation lies.
Supertroll
supertroll
I do actually read Krugman's pieces from time to time but I find the line between objective analysis and partisan polemics sometimes difficult to spot. MIT aren't in the habit of employing total dunces - although it sometimes seems to me that Krugman inhabits some ground between what most people understand as economics and - sociology.
I did like his purported assertion that Gordon Brown was "more impressive than any US politician" which has me scratching my head about both American politicians and Krugman's judgement.
tomo
@PC
Molyneux definitely has some unsavory stuff listed over there at rationalwiki.org - but is it me ... or are they "somewhat inclined" to be rational there only about people "not of the left" - just asking like... looks like 5 star arse hattery from where I'm sat with good stuff cheek by jowl with complete howlers.
I tend to listen to what he has to say (I'm not a regular viewer) and cross reference any claims he makes - unlike one Phil Clarke
And on that note , bye-bye Phil
tomo
Bye Tomo.
Shame, I was hoping for some verfiable evidence of Klinton Korruption, but there you go.
I'll have to make do with Trump is indeed an appalling, dishonest, misogynistic criminal but hey, trust me, the alternative would have been worse.
So it goes.
Phil Clarke
Oops.
Claims so far unverified, downgrade to Rumours.
Supertroll
Supertroll
granted
It is in addition to the Wikileaks Podesta Uranium One stuff from 2016 though - and that lot *has* been verified but simply not acted on.
tomo
Claims so far unverified, downgrade to Rumours.
Oct 24, 2017 at 6:03 PM | Supertroll
Climate Science correctly defined at last.
golf charlie
What Trump did:
Victor Davis Hanson - The Mythologies of the 2016 Election
Robert Christopher
@Robert Christopher
Victor Davis Hanson ... "Trump was a potential problem , Hilary was an actual problem" :-)
rather good
tomo
A corrupt old trout channels Dad's Army Private Frazer
oops wrong thread
tomo
Tomo. I was rather surprised that you failed to mention the other big climate change story of the day - that Nicaragua ratified the Paris Accords, leaving Trump even more alone. Perhaps it wasn't in your paper. The Guardian covered it.
Supertroll
I see. We should be grateful that the lying criminal made it into office, as the counterfactual, hypothetical alternative would have been far worse.
Got that. Thanks.