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But tomo I have only ever been discussing Brendan Cox's comments/tweets about Trump's apparent support (because of their anti-Islamic position) of Britain First. What have you been discussing?
I find it extremely odd that some people here apparently support Trump's attempts to spread anti-Islamic propaganda via his tweets (and then hit out petulantly at a foreign leader who criticises him for doing so) yet criticise Cox for tweeting.
Supertroll
whatever.... post facto demarcation and "servers too busy" yadyada
I am past fed up with the sweeping under the carpet of and pandering to Islamic extremism - as are some Muslims of my acquaintance .
There is a serious problem with Salafist Islam in particular and it isn't being engaged with in the west (maybe in Saudi hey?) - anybody who believes that ignoring it and / or using it as a tool to promote a multi-culti progressive agenda is terminally deluded.
Not all muslims are bad - but some are - should the troublemakers get a carte blanche / free pass merely because they are muslim ?
tomo. Once again you are widening the discussion and I can feel your frustration. Ask me and I would join you in denouncing extremist Islam, but one has to be extremely careful not to denounce all Muslims or treat them as being all the same (as Trump does). We also need to bear in mind our own history when we rode roughshod over other peoples we considered inferior or "not quite ready" to govern themselves. Vestiges of this attitude keep resurfacing. What about other groups? Given the genocidal treatment of muslims by buddhists in recent months it is strange, to say the least, that no one talks about extremist Buddhism and applies it to all Buddhists.
Trump is intolerant of Islam and on this subject has been insensitivity interfering in several European country's affairs (Sweden, France, Germany and now the UK). He has linked extremism to immigration, despite the fact that the majority of terrorist attacks have been, in Europe and the USA, by home grown or long established residents. It was about time somebody stood up to Trump and his childish behaviour.
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"careful not to denounce all Muslims or treat them as being all the same (as Trump does)"
Does he ?
There is no Muslim ban, there is no attack on Muslims
People are careful to say they are attacking Islam , its dogma not Muslims
(who may or may not be true believers)
. \\We also need to bear in mind our own history when "we" rode roughshod over other peoples we considered inferior or "not quite ready" to govern themselves. //
Did "we" ?
It's a simple attractive narrative to put all individuals in a box and say they behaved in a way
#1 My grandfathers might have not being in that "we" .. you mean leadership group ?
#2 Even the old British leaders may not have lauded over natives
eg they made a distinction between villagers and rajahs
\\ Vestiges of this attitude keep resurfacing. What about other groups? Given the genocidal treatment of muslims by buddhists //
..talk about generalisations
"Trump is intolerant of Islam" ... yep
"and on this subject has been insensitivity interfering in several European country's affairs (Sweden, France, Germany and now the UK)."
Tosh ...commenting is not interfering
.. Remember Obama did come here and interfere in the Brexit vote
"He has linked extremism to UNREGULATED immigration"
"despite the fact that the majority of terrorist attacks have been, in Europe and the USA, by home grown or long established residents."
That's wishful thinking assertion
" It was about time somebody stood up to Trump and his childish behaviour."
He's bashed day in day out by the libmob and media
A great deal of the population I guess, think its you and fellow libs who are being childish ..and merely project your behaviour onto Trump.
\\I would have wished to hear from some here responses similar to that of Brendon Cox:
You have a mass shooting every single day in your country, your murder rate is many times that of the UK, your healthcare system is a disgrace, you can’t pass anything through a congress that you control. I would focus on that.//
That's Bonkers as is Cox , full of exaggeration and untruth eg . Trump just passed his tax cuts
Cox heads an extremely nasty organisation who seem to behave like the mythical skinheads they say they are stopping
His people turn up to stop other people legal demos , they often wear balaclavas and come prepared for violence
and get arrested
.. yet cos of twisted NUJ rules this is mostly unreported.
As Dellers explains the culture of Coxes org feeds Britain First
You know what Stewgreen, you are so full of blather, and peddling untruths or partial truths that I am just going to forgo the dubious "pleasure" ( = "unpleasure"?) of reading you. Bye!
Supertroll
you are trying aren't you? I "widen the discussion" and as usual you revert petulantly to dancing on the tip of a left-progressive pin and presume to lecture about tolerance and "not all muslims are bad" when I just said that.
Our own history? - pray tell when you deem the calendar to start?
Which particular bits do you deem worthy of apology?
Are you responsible for the actions of your ancestors?
As for the Buddhists - you conflate a thoroughly thuggish and across the board ghastly authoritarian military regime who've given many Buddhists and other groups an exceeding rough ride - with actual Buddhists - and fail to mention that.
That final 4:27 paragraph is simply unmitigated tosh, As somebody with family in 3 out of the 4 countries you cite - I feel safe in saying that the absence of open honest public debate is driving an increasing and dangerous polarisation of attitudes - you are either unaware (seems unlikely) or simply choose to ignore (more likely) the fact that recent arrivals are being treated very differently by state players - and their misdeeds are largely being covered up - as in Sweden. Next door in Norway - the politicians and public servants have woken up to the problems of opening the door and giving state welfare to anybody who simply walks in.... I don't see any problem with DJT commenting on what people in those countries well know and see routinely suppressed (or rather don't see ... ) in their domestic media. But then we well know that you defend the excesses of the BBC in presenting a tailored worldview to its shrinking audience.
And then.... there's your favorite tactic of repeatedly offering nebulous reasons to not even look at links/information offered ... If it were not for the obvious differences in writing style - I'd claim you and Phil Clarke are the same person - but blather ? sheesh... I suppose you should know.
tomo. "That final 4:27 paragraph is simply unmitigated tosh", not really, leave it up to the countrie's themselves. It's their responsibilities to concern themselves with how many immigrants they let in or how they deal with them. What's it got to do with Trump, interfering and stirring up trouble? [Do you really approve of the retweets or Trump's reaction after May told him to butt out?]
I suspect that if I bothered to look, I would find you complaining bitterly about Obama comments just before the Brexit vote. Unacceptable then but perfectly ok now the shade of politician has changed (red and blue).
BTW I'm sure Stewgreen doesn't really need a troll guardian.
Supertroll
Ah yes - the back of the queue? - not so much a comment as an actual threat?
Obamah changed his tune quite a bit over two terms - but you know that don't you?
As every day passes Mrs May's pronouncements seem more and more like things crafted for her to say rather than any evidenced, principled personal stance she herself has chosen to elaborate. I had cause to follow her career at the Home Office and my underwhelming impression is that she could've been replaced with a ventriloquist's dummy and nobody would've noticed. Even her purported personal aims are lame and diffuse with a strong whiff of PR consultant contrivance.
Oh look a totally gratuitous attack on Theresa May (never my favourite politician), but then unless you had someone in your own image you'd never be satisfied. I have some sympathy for her, having to keep control over a party that will eventually tear itself into shreds over Brexit.
In my own image ? - no, not really - I'd simply settle for open. honest and competent - some mea culpa and dignified recovery wouldn't go amiss either. I shan't hold my breath.
Imho the problem with Theresa May is that she is a mouthpiece for the dishonest and incompetent public sector who obviously view Brexit as an existential threat - in that they might have to actually do some work and take some responsibility - rather than spending their time gold plating EU stuff and blaming Brussels when it doesn't work..
From where this peon is sat it sure looks like they've been using Yes, Prime Minister as an instructional video.
Both the main parties have serious internal problems with Brexit - she might take a bit of solace I suppose from the transgender vs. black feminist punchups over at the Labour Party.
Back on topic...
What we haven’t known, until now, is that a frantic scramble erupted in the halls of the FBI to cover up this meeting.
yes, it's Fox News - but don't shoot the messenger.....
Dec 3, 2017 at 5:04 PM by Supertroll
"... leave it up to the countrie's themselves. It's their responsibilities to concern themselves with how many immigrants they let in or how they deal with them. "
But isn't that the problem? They can't do that, not when they are in the EU.
It is why Brexit won the Referendum: we need to be able to control our borders and only let in those we need.
"I would find you complaining bitterly about Obama comments just before the Brexit vote."
Obama was telling us, the British People, what was good for us, when it wasn't! You would have thought, him being a US citizen :) and a lawyer to boot, that he would understand how and why the country's constitution was created as it is.
Trump's tweeting is necessary because their media is not doing its job. They are creating facts and not reporting on what is really happening, in the US or in Europe, nor making any attempt to join a few dots:
PJMedia: ABC News Suspends Brian Ross After Disastrous Flynn Report
The people also want everyone to be equal under the law. It appear the Clintons are not - at the moment anyway:
AmericanThinker: Making the Clintons Pay
They also want Justice:
Injustice: The American Way?
They also want dangerous foreigners dealt with, not ignored, see Magnequench, Uranium One and Port Canaveral:
NetRightDaily: Failure at the highest level on Uranium One and elsewhere
And the Media (and our quivering jelly in No 10) are blown away by a few tweets. What a shower!
Here is a much better tweet:
A Christmas market entrance :)
I don't know if this "analysis" is true but ....
General Flynn is asked by POTUS candidate DJT to talk to the Russians (it's OK - everybody does this...) - he obliges and the NSA and FBI have transcripts of everything that's said (being not a complete dolt = it's difficult to believe he wouldn't be unaware of this)
A year later - he's dragged in for Moeller interrogation and not allowed to simply say - "OK you tell me what I said " - and is asked to recount word for word and then found guilty of lying when he deviates from the transcript!
really? - is that what happened?
That tax reduction bill that just passed in the USA
If Trump sinks - this is where it will happen
Libmob MO
#1 Try to stop non-libmob speaking
#2 When non-libs do raise points, then throw some insults and flounce off
Fake news, fake stories, fake investigations? Or just swamp clearance?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/two-senior-fbi-officials-on-clinton-trump-probes-exchanged-politically-charged-texts-disparaging-trump/2017/12/02/9846421c-d707-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html
I'm reading that Flynn has been "hung out to dry" in the sense that to defend himself he's had to personally fund his legal costs which apparently quickly exceeded his net personal worth - that must factor strongly into the decision to cop a plea bargain with Moeller's goons.
If Lynch, Comey and Co. have at some stage to defend themselves - I wonder if they'll be treated in a similar fashion?
Some illuminating snippets here
Mistrust of Russians has been the theme for so long. Why should the US now trust US Intelligence and Judiciary?
David Stockman, former Michigan representative and Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Reagan, destroyed the Russian collusion hoax with incredible clarity in his latest column on Tuesday.
InfoWars: Former Rep David Stockman On Flynn: FBI Interview Was 'Blatant Entrapment’
Here is the full article:
The FBI’s Perjury Trap of the Century, by David Stockman
Similar information, but in a video:
DickMorris: G-Men Gone Rogue – Lunch Alert!
Supertroll
While I understand what you say about Britain First and actually agree - Brendan Cox doesn't restrain himself on many other topics which are unrelated and where he unequivocally leverages his sad position of public prominence to promulgate his views.
It's categorically not a question of excuse - he actually does himself no favours in his flights of conflation. He is not immune from criticism because his wife was murdered by a clinically diagnosed nutter with a history of MH trouble.