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Phil - don't mess in your pants - there's a good boy.
It is The Trump Plague
tomo
elsewhere
ChiComs are now running press reports of Wuhan coronavirus suspects being stopped from entering China.
One wag noted that if they are looking for a snappy re-branding "Boomerang Flu" might just catch on.
tomo
Feel confident that PC will actually like this - since it actually lifts the curtain a bit vs. the constant parade of TDS idiocy the MSM shower us all with.
Tucker Carlson interview on coronavirus and US political bubble-dwellers *including* orange man.
Worth a read
Like I think I said ... few of any political stripe are going to come out of this smelling of roses.
tomo
DO NOT FORGET: The Chinese doctor who tried to warn others about coronavirus was threatened, made to sign confession, then died after being infected himself.
tomo
Something good from China today
Baizuo is a derogatory Chinese neologism and political epithet used to refer to Western left-wing ideologies primarily espoused by white people. The term baizuo is related to the term shèngmǔ, a sarcastic reference to those whose political opinions are perceived as being guided by emotions or a hypocritical show of selflessness and empathy.
tomo
An interesting post I found elsewhere. I am far from “civilisation” with limited internet access; can anyone else verify this?
For anyone who claims that President Trump “screwed up” re the Coronavirus, here is the factual timeline for the Trump administration's handling of COVID-19:Dec. 31: China announces they are investigating a “pneumonia outbreak” in Wuhan
Jan. 7: CDC established an Incident Management System (just 7 days later)
Jan. 17: CDC sent 100+ staffers to specific US airports to screen travelers who'd been in Wuhan
Jan. 21: CDC activated its Emergency Operations Center (just 3 weeks later)
Jan. 29: President established Presidential Task Force--BEFORE THE THING EVEN HAD A NAME
Jan. 30: State Dept issued a Do Not Travel warning to China (still less than one month after initial announcement from China).
Jan. 30: WHO announced the Coronavirus is a public health emergency of international global concern.
In short, before WHO even announced its “global concern,” the administration was working on his response for almost a month, and had already established a presidential task force.Jan. 31: To the left's cries of “RACISM!”, the president proactively suspended entry of foreign nationals who’d been to China in the last 14 days.
Jan. 31: The president issued quarantines, and through Secretary Azar, declared a public health emergency for the entire nation.
Feb. 11: WHO named the virus COVID-19. LET THAT SINK IN. The Trump administration’s first response--a week after the initial announcement—was when the virus hadn’t even been named by the World Health Organization yet. It wasn’t named until Day 42. Meanwhile, the CDC, NIH, FEMA, FDA, HHS, the DOD, and all the agencies of our scientific community have already been working feverishly to sequence the RNA of the virus to get its proteins, its messenger RNA sequenced, and get a vaccine going.
Feb. 24: The president unveiled the initial plan.
Yet, according to the leadership of the other party, our president has failed us. Following OVER A MONTH of response — they’re accusing our president of failing us.Feb. 26: President Trump appointed VP Mike Pence to head the whole of government response. That appointment is in keeping with the 2015 Obama-era Blue Ribbon Panel on Biodefense.
Feb. 29: Sixty days after the Chinese announcement, the US sadly lost its first victim to COVID-19.
March 11: WHO declares COVID-19 to be a global "pandemic."
So, 53 days before the US lost a single life to this disease, the administration was already working diligently to protect our country.
The US WILL lose lives to this virus--but as noted by Obama appointee and former director of the CDC Tom Friedman, had the president not responded so quickly, we would not have been prepared as we are, and more lives would’ve been lost.March 13: President Trump declares a national emergency to deal with this pandemic, is prepared to commit as much as $50 billion to address a wide range of related issues.
Yes, there were and are problems with test kits. Nobody is perfect.
Compared to Obama’s response to Swine Flu in 2009, President Trump’s performance has been stellar.
Swine Flu infected over 60 million Americans, hospitalizing a quarter million and killing around 13,000. Obama did not declare a national emergency until about a thousand Americans had already died. So far Coronavirus has killed less than a hundred Americans.
How many people – especially in the media – were bitching about Obama’s handling of Swine Flu eleven years ago?
Radical Rodent
@RR
thanks for collating a calendar - useful and appreciated - I was getting to the point where I felt the need to do one for my own reference.
tomo
Not my work, tomo - but I'm happy to take credit for it! 😏 😁
Radical Rodent
@RR still useful as a framework ...
Don't know if it's worth starting a thread to update it and fact check / link the dates.
Got a feeling it might be worthwhile as with the present madness nobody seems much interested in water under the bridge....
tomo
@Radica that was a twitter thread by
Ronna McDaniel@GOPChairwoman
Can't find original
clipe
The timeline should start earlier:
2018: Trump disbands the NSC directorate for global health and security and bio-defenseFeb 10 2020 Trump asks Congress to cut annual budget authority for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) by $430 million to $5.446 billion for fiscal 2021.
Feb 22 Trump falsely claims ' We’re going very substantially down, not up.'
Feb 25 Trump falsely claims a vaccine is 'very close', revealing breathtaking ignorance.
Feb 27 Trump encourages complacency 'It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear. '
March 7 Trump falsely states that 'anyone who wants a test can get one'
March 11 Trump's televised address, despite being scripted, contains substantive factual errors. The US stock market suffers its biggest one-day fall since 1987.
Another timeline.
How Trump went from
It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control(Jan 22)
to
I felt it was a pandemic long before it was declared a pandemic.(Mar 17)
ORLY?
Phil Clarke
Swine Flu infected over 60 million Americans, hospitalizing a quarter million and killing around 13,000. Obama did not declare a national emergency until about a thousand Americans had already died. So far Coronavirus has killed less than a hundred Americans.
How many people – especially in the media – were bitching about Obama’s handling of Swine Flu eleven years ago?
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-h1n1-swine-flu-pandemic-spin/
Phil Clarke
Corrected : Another timeline.
Phil Clarke
Mustn't judge a book by it's cover (hoody, baseball cap and woke hipster beard - at the same time) so I went and read some of Luke O'Neil's other stuff .... impressive - I bet he's got a "fixie" bicycle too. Three months of warnings about a nasty bug again coming out of China and "bad boy" doesn't comment at all....
What the fuck is it about exponential arithmetic that you don't get Phil? Let's see some prescient Democrats too - this isn't a partisan thing - they're all guilty of not paying attention.
GFY you TDS addled berk shèngmǔ
tomo
Which part of The guy in charge fucked up and people died</I> do you not get Tomo?
Phil Clarke
Now, however, we face a much bigger crisis with the coronavirus. And Trump’s response has been worse than even his harshest critics could have imagined. He has treated a dire threat as a public relations problem, combining denial with frantic blame-shifting.His administration has failed to deliver the most basic prerequisite of pandemic response, widespread testing to track the disease’s spread. He has failed to implement recommendations of public health experts, instead imposing pointless travel bans on foreigners when all indications are that the disease is already well established in the United States.
And his response to the economic fallout has veered between complacency and hysteria, with a strong admixture of cronyism.
[..]
Over the weekend Donald Trump once again declared that the coronavirus is perfectly under control, that any impressions to the contrary are due to the “Fake News Media” out to get him. Question: Does anyone have a count of how many times he’s done this, comparable to the running tallies fact checkers are keeping of his lies?
In any case, we’ve pretty clearly reached the point where Trump’s assurances that everything is fine actually worsen the panic, because they demonstrate the depths of his delusions. Even as he was tweeting out praise for himself, global markets were in free-fall.
Never mind cratering stock prices. The best indicator of collapsing confidence is what is happening to interest rates, which have plunged almost as far and as fast as they did during the 2008 financial crisis. Markets are implicitly predicting not just a recession, but multiple years of economic weakness.
[..]
America’s catastrophically inadequate response to the coronavirus can be attributed largely to bad short-term decisions by one man. And I do mean short-term: At every stage, Donald Trump minimized the threat and blocked helpful action because he wanted to look good for the next news cycle or two, ignoring and intimidating anyone who tried to give him good advice.
But here’s the thing: Even if he weren’t so irresponsibly self-centered, he has denuded the government of people who could be giving good advice in the first place.
Trump disbanded the National Security Council’s pandemic response team in 2018, although he now, with his characteristic refusal to accept responsibility for anything, says that he knew nothing about it. And he has in general staffed his administration with obsequious toadies who never tell him anything he doesn’t want to hear.
[…]
And since there’s nobody left in the G.O.P. who can put together a coherent stimulus plan, Democrats will have to do the job, perhaps with help from the Federal Reserve intervention to stabilize highly stressed financial markets.
I admit to being somewhat worried that Democrats won’t go big enough. But my bigger worry is that Republicans will undermine their efforts. It’s now up to Powell and Pelosi to rescue the economy, and Trump and company need to get out of their way.
So says Paul Krugman, anyway.
Phil Clarke
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/opinion/trump-coronavirus-economy.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/opinion/pelosi-powell-coronavirus.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/opinion/trump-economy-coronavirus.html
Phil Clarke
So says Paul Krugman, anyway.
Mar 19, 2020 at 12:05 PM Phil Clarke
Does Paul Krugman believe in Mann's Hockey Stick as well?
golf charlie
Which Phil Clarke is this huh?
The organ grinder or one of the monkeys?
Paul Krugman's opinion is no improvement on Guardian CiF - for a fat fee.
A dismal liberal (in the US sense) polemicist :
He has also remarked several times on how the depth of his disapproval of Trump tempts him to just assume the worst
Astounding amount of self awareness on show there...
I don't like much of what he says but he's absolutely entitled to his opinions as the US's widely acknowledged leading doomsayer - fortunately for him and tiresomely for the rest of us he doesn't sink or swim by the success or otherwise of his predictions- for if he did - I wouldn't be typing this.....
If he's in TDS therapy - it isn't working - but I wouldn't be surprised if his therapist needs therapy.....
Oh and by the way - do tell what The Democrats propose wrt to Wuhan coronavirus ..... ? There has to be a vote on much of the remedial actions and big corporates are looking to stab the taxpayers again and the elected representatives need to do their sums (both GOP and DNC) and agree a course of action in the interests of the electors - if the Democrats persist in trying to blackmail GOP for their own interest / side projects - November is going to be a wipe-=out for the DNC.
tomo
Shorter Tomo: just the usual bit of ad-hom and a 'but the other side is no better'.
Phil Clarke
Trump probably knows how much US Taxpayer Funding is already wasted on Climate Science.
How much extra is the Democrats Green New Deal going to steal off the most vulnerable in society?
Climate Scientists are destroying the EU and politicians elsewhere and COP 26 hasn't been cancelled yet, so a Democrat will be asked to commit US Taxpayers to forking out a $100bn pa giveaway to Climate Scientists and foreign countries, should US Taxpayers vote Democrat? Sounds like a losers strategy.
Trump could always ask his Democrat rival whether he/she believes in Mann's Hockey Stick.
golf charlie
What's up Phil? - you can't show me some sensible liberals / Democrats with well researched and reasoned suggestions at to how to proceed with coronavirus? There are a few ... but the DNC's control of most US media and the ferocious party whipping guarantees that only approved messages surface....
If there was ever a time for evidenced pragmatism (consensus even) it's pretty clear the present situation qualifies - yet there any many dim enough to swerve the practicalities of the situation and try to use a crisis to advance an unrelated ideological agenda.
It is simply abysmally stupid of US media to pull stunts like declaring that Trump administration official called Wuhan coronavirus "Kung-Flu" to Kellyanne Conway - who then declares that's unacceptable, says - "tell us who it was and we'll deal with it" .... and the dopey media hack declines.... China's virus numbers are as believable as most of their official pronouncements on climate matters - they simply tell Baizuos what they know the average Baizuo wants to hear.
ad homs? with Krugman ? - simply uncontested observation surely? - can you show me something he's got correct vs. stuff that he's been wildly wrong about?
It's not that "the other side is no better" - it's "we can and will do better" - one group is trying to deal with a major problem and the other is clearly standing by, trying to shove sticks through the spokes and drop sand into the gearbox.
tomo
Anthony Watts explains the Green Blob's practicality problems in the US. How much more Taxpayers Money are Democrats proposing to take?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/19/an-open-letter-to-greta-thunberg-and-other-assorted-climate-wackadoodles/
"An open letter to @GretaThunberg and other assorted climate wackadoodles
Anthony Watts / 3 hours ago March 19, 2020
Dear Greta,
So you got what you wanted.
“System change & Economic Slowdown” is a real thing now.
Airplanes, industry, jobs, restaurants, recreation, and schools are all shut down.
Instead we have fear, poverty, misery, joblessness, economic ruin, and a bleak future.
Happy now?
Anthony Watts
(and thousands of WUWT readers)"
golf charlie
See how it works?
"A drug approved for urgent testing as a potential treatment for coronavirus by US President Donald Trump overnight is fuelling a massive surge in the price of fish tank cleaner."
And in the same report.
"A few weeks ago, before reports of chloroquine phosphate’s potential in treating coronavirus, the same seller was offering the product for $139.
“Storyful found additional examples on eBay indicating a sharp rise in price over the past several weeks,” Mr Oakford said".
“Listings for 20 capsules of ‘Magna CP-Medic’ brand chloroquine phosphate sold as recently as March 5 for $24 plus shipping. As of March 18, the same number of capsules were being listed for as much as $450.”
clipe
Phil
you must have money to burn >> subs to WSJ and WaPo - claim them as a business expense?
Notable that the CPC blocked the CDC from investigating Wuhan virus on site and as I understand it also refused to transfer samples for analysis in Atlanta? Federal rules don't allow for bribes I'm guessing.
I'd forgotten about Margaret Chan being Dr Tedros' predecessor at WHO - I think the Wikipedia reports of her performance in HK avian flu business are iirc a bit "economical with the actualité" wrt to her sucking up to Beijing. Dr Tedros has busied himself trying to reassign the name and cast aspersions on the provenance of the virus - very chummy with ChiCom nabobs and ambassadors too... Wouldn't be surprised if they both know a bit more than we do about the predicament of the head of INTERPOL.