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Discussion > President Trump

Mark Hodgson, in a US Presidential election, all voters are affected when states violate their own constitutions on electoral procedures.

The SC has said that they are not. Maybe it makes sense to you, but millions of Americans disagree.

As for Republican-appointed judges, Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch are in radio silence mode.

And so, violence :

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/antifa-coward-allegedly-stabs-multiple-trump-supportersproud-boys-beat-dc-cops-stand-watch-video/

Reported by the MSM in the UK?

Dec 13, 2020 at 9:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterCharly

How to do secession:

https://surakblog.wordpress.com/2020/07/09/a-map-of-america/

Dec 13, 2020 at 9:38 AM | Unregistered CommenterCharly

How NOT to do secession - produce a country with few big cities: all hinterland.

Dec 13, 2020 at 9:51 AM | Unregistered CommenterAK

Thank you, Mr Clarke (Dec 12, 2020 at 8:28 PM), as you point out: Trump was not concerned about the identity of the alleged culprits but was concerned about the severity of the crime.

Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids
Oooops… not Trump who said that…
If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black.
Dang! I wonder who said that….? (Hint: not Trump)

Odd, how Trump was the champion of the black community in the USA right up to 2016, having won many awards for his efforts, and being honoured by the likes of Rosa Parkes and others but, from the point of winning the nomination on, he is that worst of all things that anyone can be – a “Raaaaycist!” It doesn’t matter that under his tenure, the blacks (and other minorities) have benefitted more than under any other president, with the highest employment and lowest unemployment rates in history; merely calling a (white) person “Racist!” means that he is, and nothing that he can say or do will ever make him not so; hell, it’s even worse than accused of being a paedophile (which normally automatically make you a paedophile – unless, it would seem, you are one of the “elite”…).

Dec 13, 2020 at 3:13 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

If no electoral college, candidates would only campaign probably only in CA and NY....all they'd need to win.

Comparing MSM coverage between US <> UK - the Hunter Biden business is seemingly getting more play on the likes of CNN / MSNBC - which is weird....

Given how Balkanised online advertising is - my suspicious mind is wondering how much customised content is being delivered to the various tribes .... The BBC very obviously are at it ....(try VPN + archive.org) - they rarely lead in these matters so one must assume that applies to US networks too.... We are being played - the only question - really- is the extents of it.

Dec 13, 2020 at 3:38 PM | Registered Commentertomo

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/09/facebook-posts/trumps-ellis-island-award-1980s-was-not-brotherhoo/

Dec 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

live tonight at 7 p.m. EST w/ @thevivafrei

1/ Why SCOTUS screwed up dismissing Texas;
2/ The importance of the Electors' Clause to Trump's case;
3/ How VP Pence could play a role in deciding electors;
4/ Can Congress choose the President by state vote?

https://youtu.be/Y5IPEvYchMo

Dec 13, 2020 at 11:41 PM | Registered Commentertomo

If 1 death in 10,000 cases is enough to shut down a country, then 1 fraudulent vote in 10,000 should be enough to challenge an election.

Dec 14, 2020 at 12:14 AM | Unregistered Commenter.

Give up dotty, he lost. I might have liked it better if he hadn't but moaning won't change the result. Stop giving Phil the opportunity to gloat.

Dec 14, 2020 at 12:37 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2020-11-18%20HSGAC%20-%20Finance%20Joint%20Report%20Supplemental.pdf

Dec 14, 2020 at 1:07 AM | Unregistered Commenter.

if it's TL/DR - a summary :

The family of Jill Biden’s longtime WH assistant received $6 million from the Chinese communists for no apparent / legitimate reason.

Dec 14, 2020 at 1:13 AM | Unregistered Commenter.

Tl;DR, A pair of Republicans have found a money transfer from a Chinese energy company affilliated with the CCP to the husband of an aide to the wife of the president-elect. They have no idea what the money was for therefore it must be sinister.

This makes the husband of the wife who had the aide whose husband's company received some money three years ago unfit to be president. Got that?

Dec 14, 2020 at 10:28 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

as you point out: Trump was not concerned about the identity of the alleged culprits but was concerned about the severity of the crime.

Yes, the only time he ever took out front page ads calling for the death penalty was in connection to a gang rape where the victim was white and the suspects were Black/Latino. Never before, not since. I am sure this is a pure coincidence and in no way indicative of racism..

Dec 14, 2020 at 10:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Look on the bright side – if Biden does become President-elect, we will not be having similar arguments in 4 years, as President Harris will ensure that there are be no more genuine elections to oust her.

There are probably a few down-sides to that, but at least Mr Clarke and Minty will be happy.

Dec 14, 2020 at 10:55 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Alarmist. Even the president does not get to unilaterally change the Constitution. A fact for which we can be grateful or did you miss Team Trump multiple failed attempts to use the court to get millions of votes binned? There is no if. All the states have validated their vote, the Electoral College will confirm Joe Biden as the next president today and he will be sworn in on January 20th.

Speaking of Trump denial of reality, why do you suppose he still refuses to accept that the black and hispanic kids known as the Central Park Five are innocent even when they were exonerated by DNA evidence, a credible confession was made by a known serial rapist and they were awarded millions of dollars in damages for wrongful conviction?

Dec 14, 2020 at 11:23 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Ravishing Rabbit, it’s true that I don’t like Trump as a person, but I don’t much care for Biden either. As has been said: without COVID-19 Trump would surely have won against such a weak opponent as Biden. Other than this, I truly try to keep from commenting on US politics. It’s not my fight and I couldn’t vote anyway. I lived there 4 years and couldn’t vote even for a dog catcher despite paying federal, state and local taxes. Their rallying cry of “no taxation without representation “ isn’t worth a crock of spit (a presidential saying).

What brought me back to this discussion was the tendency of almost all commentators here to overlook Trump’s failings and a near-unified claim that the 2020 election has been stolen when the evidence indicates this isn’t so. Yes there may be some irregularities, but totally insufficient to overthrow the result. TinyCO2’s argument that Trump had all the opportunity to ensure a fair election before it took place is, to my mind, a strong one.

Dec 14, 2020 at 12:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterAK

Fair comment, Minty. I have never personally been a big fan of Trump, the person. However, that many presidents in the past have been re-elected despite a reduced vote for them, and this one loses re-election, despite an increased vote for him does make me suspicious, especially as the “opponent” is such a weak, vapid individual, sadly displaying all the hallmarks of dementia, one who might have been in office for 47 years, but has done so little but harm during his tenure (just check his history…) is why I get so suspicious of this result. This entire “pandemic” scam just adds to the suspicion…

As for the concept that the US Constitution will not allow the imposition of a dictatorship under Harris (as she will be replacing Biden as soon as is expedient), just look at the assaults that have been imposed upon it, such that many Americans are now questioning whether it is really a relevant document, now. “Dubya” Bush was the first to raise my suspicions of this, when he dismissed it as “just a piece of paper”; the onslaught is getting quite vehement, now, with so many calling it outmoded and outdated. Once all the characters are (back) in place, I would not be surprised to see it being binned, for something “more progressive” (i.e. all for the benefit of big government). The next few years are going to be the biggest threat to democracy in history – will it survive? I, and any sane, rational person, would sincerely hope so, but I am not overly confident of it doing so.

Dec 14, 2020 at 1:03 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

The votes are starting to come in, and so far Trump is ahead 56-36. Stop the count now!

Dec 14, 2020 at 5:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

The audit of the "Dominion Voting System" in one county in Michigan, initially blocked by a court from public release, has now been released. Enjoy!

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Here is one conclusion:

"Research is ongoing. However, based on the preliminary results, we conclude
that the errors are so significant that they call into question the integrity and
legitimacy of the results in the Antrim County 2020 election to the point that the
results are not certifiable. Because the same machines and software are used in
48 other counties in Michigan, this casts doubt on the integrity of the entire
election in the state of Michigan."

Dec 14, 2020 at 5:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterJR

Trump to pardon Assange?

elsewhere

Antrim County Michigan - Dominion machines Were Set At 68.05% Error Rate… yada, yada

Dec 14, 2020 at 5:05 PM | Registered Commentertomo

JR: wasn’t the CEO of Dominion reported as saying something along the lines of: “There’s no way Trump is going to f***** win, this time – we’ll see to that…”? And we are supposed to trust him?

Dec 14, 2020 at 5:10 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

@RR

it was hyperbole - Eric Coomer was just bragging - there's no way he could follow through on his claim .... eh?

Dec 14, 2020 at 5:17 PM | Registered Commentertomo

RR: I can't recall for certain this being said so I won't comment further. About their machines, however, it seems that the audit found them set to be much too sensitive to "errors" when scanned, which meant they were sent for adjudication where an individual would decide how the vote should be counted. Even a blank ballot would go this route, and was then open to the adjudicator to vote as they pleased on that ballot! The number of ballots going for adjudication was much much higher than usually found, plus the adjudication logs appear to have been removed.

Dec 14, 2020 at 5:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterJR

1/ Why SCOTUS screwed up dismissing Texas;
2/ The importance of the Electors' Clause to Trump's case;
3/ How VP Pence could play a role in deciding electors;
4/ Can Congress choose the President by state vote?

tl;dw. Seems unlikely a Canadian knows the relevant law better the Supreme Court. It is over, the technicalities now available to Team Trump have no chance of succeeding. Basically, either :-

Enough electors have to go 'faithless' to overturn Joe Biden's 36 vote margin over the magic 270. This would mean the House of Representatives would choose the President while the Senate selects the vice president. Each state delegation in the House gets a single vote. As of now, Republicans control 26 of the 50 state delegations. This is moot however, as the no-majority scenario has zero probability, at time of posting Biden is on 108 and all the States have voted as their electorate wanted them to.

Or

The votes of one or more States is challenged. Members of the House or the Senate are permitted to object to a State's slate of electors. They need a written objection signed by both a House member and a Senator. This is possible and has happened before, the objection must be then debated separately in the Senate and the House and win a simple majority in both assemblies, so a Democrat-held House would have to vote to reject the ballots of a State that voted for Biden. It is not even clear that the Senate would support an objection given the pro-democracy statements from the likes of Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowsi, Ben Sasse, and Bill Cassidy.

Objections may happen, but if they do it will be for reasons of political theatre, they have zero chance of success.

Dec 14, 2020 at 6:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

You don't need to trust the Dominion guy with his jokey Zoom call remark. You should trust the certification processes, the code reviews, the before and after audits, the fact that a complete paper recount in Georgia gave a result within the standard margins of the electronic count.

Dec 14, 2020 at 6:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke