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Discussion > President Trump

code reviews?

jokey?

Yeah.... sure - an executive of a voting software company in discussions with a bunch of loopy radicals ... - should he even be there (and parading his bias) ? - I would say no - no effin way.

As far as judicial procedure is concerned - they just love get-outs for when they're in a jam ... and SCOTUS gossip presently seems to indicate that some were keen to evade even addressing the matter to hand - a naïve might expect that a disputes between states to be pretty much what SCOTUS is there to resolve... - but hey-ho...

If you actually took the time to watch Barnes does a reasonable job of explaining the technicalities in a way that even Clarky might understand. There are some near universal legal archetypes which pervade jurisprudence but when stuff starts to head into Sondergericht territory (and to be clear I am not claiming that in this case) thing obviously go pear shaped - I feel we're going to hear more about the internal debate at SCOTUS....

SCOTUS justices are there for life and don't always oblige the administration du jour - they are obviously fearful about the standing of the court and what just occurred looks like an attempt to preserve their position in the midst of turmoil - I'd have expected a bit more elaboration of their decision .... the reticence seems to hint at some attempt at self preservation.....

Dec 14, 2020 at 6:47 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Yes, the certification process includes a source code review. Perhaps look at the actual reports instead of relying on a cartoonist?

Dec 14, 2020 at 7:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Make that hearsay jokey remark. There's no recording of Coomer saying what he is alleged to have said, but the quote ends 'Ha Ha Ha'.

Sounds pretty jokey to me.

Dec 14, 2020 at 8:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Biden now has 215 Electoral College votes declared. They have all gone according to voters' wishes. He will get 55 from California and 14 from New Jersey. The 'no majority' scenario is dead, leaving a no-hope challenge at the 6th January Joint Session the only legal route for Trump.

Did anyone ever seriously believe the Supreme Court of the United States would invalidate millions of votes and change the result of a presidential election based on pure moonshine ????

Dec 14, 2020 at 8:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

The audit of the "Dominion Voting System" in one county in Michigan, initially blocked by a court from public release, has now been released.

That 'audit' was actually an investigation of the machines granted by a court to a private individual in a dispute not actually about the presidential election. It was conducted by the Allied Security Operations Group, a company affiliated with Trump's legal team. The report has no legal standing, it is signed by Russell James Ramsland Jr who has a history of submitting wildly false affadavits, was described by the local assistant Attorney General as 'inaccurate, incomplete and misleading.' and according to the Detroit Free Press

Michigan Elections Director Jonathan Brater said in a weekend court filing the report "makes a series of unsupported conclusions, ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections, and suggests without explanation that elements of election software not used in Michigan are somehow responsible for tabulation or reporting errors that are either nonexistent or easily explained."

You might have mentioned that….

Dec 14, 2020 at 9:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

The V&V document you linked has only a single instance of the word "bug" - and no elaboration of that... It's bug free code with no errors and no way to tinker with outcomes - the operational data being archived until inauguration day or longer for extended review purposes. Try this - and that really only deals afaics with uncredentialled, external threats. Why is there seemingly a rush to wipe corroborating operational data for a wholly above board and scrupulously honest election?

I'd imagine that Mr. Coomer could retire to the Caribbean off the back of a defamation suit - he's not been seen as far as I'm aware - or does Clarky know different?

That Assange thing fell flat ... ho-hum ...

Dec 14, 2020 at 9:42 PM | Registered Commentertomo

iirc Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar filed a complaint last year saying that Dominion voting machines were unreliable and switched votes.

Dec 14, 2020 at 10:03 PM | Registered Commentertomo

So DEFCON had a go at hacking some decommissioned and decertified machines they got off ebay?

The Village had no access to optical scan or DRE systems with a Voter-Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT). These systems, and those involving ballot marking devices, are the most software independent and auditable systems, and are increasingly popular and heavily used.

Finally, there was no access to any backend provisioning, counting, or voter registration systems. These kinds of systems are not generally available on the open market. This is especially significant as the evidence from the 2016 election seems to indicate strongly that these types of voting technologies – not voting machines themselves – were the primary target of Russian hacker attacks.

Not sure that adds much to the discussion of the 2020 presidential.

Dec 15, 2020 at 9:46 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/an-11-year-old-changed-election-results-on-a-replica-florida-state-website-in-under-10-minutes

Dec 15, 2020 at 5:58 PM | Unregistered Commenter.

…election night reporting websites are only used to publish preliminary, unofficial results for the public and the media. The sites are not connected to vote counting equipment and could never change actual election results.

Are you not keeping up with current events? The result just got re-re-re-re-re-confirmed.

Dec 15, 2020 at 7:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Next-door neighbors of Mar-a-Lago, President Trump’s private club in Palm Beach, Fla., that he has called his Winter White House, have a message for the outgoing commander in chief: We don’t want you to be our neighbor. That message was formally delivered Tuesday morning in a demand letter delivered to the town of Palm Beach and also addressed to the U.S. Secret Service asserting that Trump lost his legal right to live at Mar-a-Lago because of an agreement he signed in the early 1990s when he converted the storied estate from his private residence to a private club.

Dec 16, 2020 at 1:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

dang Joe....

"Kirsten" ?

Dec 16, 2020 at 8:06 PM | Registered Commentertomo

And by the way, Jill and I have always enjoyed seeing Pete and Kirsten — Chasten I should say — together on the trail. Chasten has become a close friend of Jill’s and mine.

Bottom of the barrel, folks.

Dec 16, 2020 at 8:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

You are so right, Mr Clarke.... but probably not in the way you intended.

Dec 17, 2020 at 10:14 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

CNN reporter accidentally calls Joe Biden 'President-elect Joebama'

Dec 17, 2020 at 1:41 PM | Unregistered Commenter.

This lawyers ranting in their cars thing is really catching on

Scotus Rant

Dec 17, 2020 at 6:48 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Here’s a thought: there were 213,799,485 registered to vote in the USA in 2020; various sources say that the turn-out was between 60-65%; averaging this to 62.5%, this means that about there were about 133,500,000 votes from registered voters. Of these, Trump managed to get an uncontested 74,000,000; yet Biden managed 81,000,000 votes. Now, I might not have a degree in mathematics, but 74+81 comes to 155, which is considerably more than 133.5… Does anyone have any ideas what this is about, and, if real, why is it being overlooked?

Dec 20, 2020 at 1:10 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

Turnout refers to the number of those eligible to vote which is a different number to those registered.

Project Electa has the voting eligible population as 239,247,182, votes cast as 158,240,239 giving a turnout of 66.1%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h_2pR1pq8s_I5buZ5agXS9q1vLziECztN2uWeR6Czo0/edit#gid=2030096602

Dec 20, 2020 at 8:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

What do you suppose happens when Smartmatic lawyer up and start threatening Fox News and others over their baseless and defamatory claims of voting technology being used to commit fraud …

This happens

Hope Don wasn't watching ;-)

Dec 20, 2020 at 1:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Other views on this farrago.

There is most definitely something very, very wrong with the last presidential election.

Dec 21, 2020 at 11:21 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

No smoke without fire huh?

The counties count is irrelevant for reasons already stated. The result is largely a consequence of the Electoral College vote distribution. In 2016 Trump took the 'Blue Wall' states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan by tiny percentage majorities, this time around Biden took them back, by similar margins, flipping him their 46 Electoral Votes. The large vote count and the difference between House and Presidential results are a consequence of the expanding electorate - there were over 8 million more people eligible to vote in 2020 - and the polarising effect of the Orange Man. Given his low approval and popularity ratings, a Trump victory would have been a lot harder to explain than the actual result.

You will have noticed the CISA declared that 'There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised', that the Attorney General similarly said 'we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election' and more than 50 court hearings have now found zero evidence of significant fraud.

Dec 21, 2020 at 3:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

How do you think history will remember Trump’s presidency?

One of the county's worst presidents 42%
A below average president 8%
An average president 10%
An above average president 16%
One of the country’s greatest presidents 22%
Don't Know 2%

Poll for Fox News.

I think that may go some way towards helping those bemused by the scale of Biden's victory?

Dec 22, 2020 at 10:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

We've got Joe B-b-b-biden when any sane assessment of the (D) candidates 10 months ago would have this lady as the standout candidate.

elsewhere

The Covid relief bill looks like a cack-handed attempt to provoke a revolution....

Clarky ... - who do you think pays attention to opinion polls?

Dec 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM | Registered Commentertomo

An ophthalmologist opines - but he's over the target....

The #US #CovidBill sends 4 BILLION dollars to the #GAVI vaccine alliance, a #BillGates funded project.

Dec 22, 2020 at 4:42 PM | Registered Commentertomo