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"Trump can dismiss El Salvador and Haiti as "shithole countries" only because they've been trashed by years of US military and economic aggression.

"'They who have put out the people's eyes reproach them of their blindness'"

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/951752617721499648

"Takes an arsehole to know a shithole."

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/951758214550388736

Jan 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

PC

If you want to make a case for malign American influence overseas, Lineker and Moonbat aren't actually first team picks are they? - try General Smedley R Butler

Jan 13, 2018 at 10:36 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Lineker may not be a first line pick but he turns a memorable and apposite phrase doesn't he?

Jan 13, 2018 at 1:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Phil Clarke, did Trump create problems in El Salvador and Haiti? I thought their problems started a year/century previously.

Jan 13, 2018 at 4:28 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Trump was just having a dig at Barrack Obama as he is part Kenyan according to Boris Johnstone. Or maybe he was adding a little detail to Camerons " leaders of "fantastically corrupt" countries coming to Britain." Or perhaps Gordon Browns bigot fits better.

Nothing new here, street talk caught out.

Jan 13, 2018 at 5:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartyn

DJT's vocabulary is at least widely understood

Emmanuel Macron though, - looses a bit of something in translation

“civilisational problems”

Jan 13, 2018 at 6:13 PM | Registered Commentertomo

On Saturday, the Daily Beast reported that it had also been in talks with Clifford about an interview on the eve of the 2016 vote.

It said it had spoken to another actor in pornographic films, Alana Evans. According to Evans, Daniels, at the time of her alleged encounter with Trump, said: “All I’m going to say is: I ended up with Donald in his hotel room. Picture him chasing me around his hotel room in his tighty-whities.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/13/trump-porn-star-alana-evans-stormy-daniels-report

Jan 14, 2018 at 10:13 AM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Phil. Presumably they were consenting adults, so what's not to like?
Oh yes! the picture of big D in his tighty-whities.
You could have spared us that.

Jan 14, 2018 at 12:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Presumably they were consenting adults, so what's not to like?

Not sure Melania consented to this ....

Jan 14, 2018 at 1:47 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Trophy wives consent ( or is it acquiesce ? ) to anything don't they?

Jan 14, 2018 at 2:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Phil Clarke
Quoting bits of tittle tattle from the Gruaniad,it's easy to see how you have been sucked in by the climate change scam,you pathetic intellectual pygmy.

Jan 14, 2018 at 3:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoger Tolson

Yeah, me and every last scientific association on the planet. You name-caller, you.

Jan 14, 2018 at 4:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhil Clarke

Phil weren't you quoting bits of tittle tattle from the book and not from the Gruaniad? So that's all right then. Mind you, you'll have to downsize your Gruaniad quotes from tomorrow.

Jan 14, 2018 at 6:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Russian collusion

On the actual matter of "shithole countries" - it seems that Dick Durbin is the source for the quote and he has a well proven track record of lying about what was said in meetings - just saying...

Jan 14, 2018 at 6:47 PM | Registered Commentertomo

If more countries had reliable power and water supplies, they could have decent toilets, drains and sewage treatment works. Climate Scientists have ensured that many countries still depend on sh¡tholes, and so sh¡tholes depend on Climate Science for self preservation.

Jan 14, 2018 at 8:50 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

An interesting piece on the BBC

The Missing - I'm sure the title is intended to invoke death squads etcetera.

I wonder if the officials operating the removals are acting in a wholly just way - given the sanctuary city status of Seattle just up the road - it strikes me that a Trump voting community might just be being targeted - the remorse of locals is palpable.

I had some extended hoopla with US Immigration myself when working in Seattle and found individual officials did their best to be intimidating, arbitrary and frankly just a bit power mad.... (they didn't accept my paperwork at the airport and tried to send me back...) - it's not difficult to imagine that the Federal officials concerned at Long Beach are from Seattle.....

I do think immigrants have some rights - all the more so if they are contributing members of a community who support themselves and are law abiding and have been quietly doing that for a number of years - they seem obvious targets of "you voted for this - here it is - suck it up" antics.

Jan 15, 2018 at 8:50 AM | Registered Commentertomo

tomo, from your link:

"Seattle’s so-called sanctuary status stems from a 2003 ordinance, according to Murray’s office. Unless otherwise required by law or court order, the ordinance bars police officers from inquiring into a person’s immigration status without reasonable suspicion that the person has been previously deported and has committed a felony. Backers of such policies argue they make cities safer because immigrants are less afraid to cooperate with police."

The EU's adoption of similar attitudes helped BREXIT, and caused Merkel and others, problems. Progressives are not very good at linking cause and effect, unless it suits their purposes.

Jan 15, 2018 at 2:49 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

tomo, from your link:

"Seattle’s so-called sanctuary status stems from a 2003 ordinance, according to Murray’s office. Unless otherwise required by law or court order, the ordinance bars police officers from inquiring into a person’s immigration status without reasonable suspicion that the person has been previously deported and has committed a felony. Backers of such policies argue they make cities safer because immigrants are less afraid to cooperate with police."

The EU's adoption of similar attitudes helped BREXIT, and caused Merkel and others, problems. Progressives are not very good at linking cause and effect, unless it suits their purposes, or they made them up.

Jan 15, 2018 at 2:50 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

gc

It does rather seem that the immigrant situation is just as much a politcally loaded mess in the USA as Europe - but different...

One common factor though is the antics of the lefties (Seattle is very lefty!) - any way one slices it there's a lot of what Americans call liberals who simply aren't by and large affected by the abuses and exploitation of the immigration system who are as usual attacking anything that is different from their interpretation as racist etc,. etc. while conveniently employing illegals as gardeners etc. or simply turning a blind eye to the exploitation of illegals and Mexico's policy of dumping at least some of their undesirables on the Yanquis.

Victor Davis Hansen has some interesting things to say about immigration - take your pick. He actually lives in a Mexican American community and appears to speak from personal experience - unlike say Gerry Brown or other loopy California Democrats.

Jan 15, 2018 at 3:33 PM | Registered Commentertomo

tomo, California's Leadership on Green Blob issues, is not as clean as some think:

"Since he was elected in 2010, California Gov. Jerry Brown has gained an international reputation as a climate leader. He has spoken at the Vatican, at U.N. climate talks, and promoted California’s policies in China. Journalists routinely praise Brown for reducing emissions by expanding clean energy.

But is Brown’s climate reputation deserved?

A new, two-year investigation by Environmental Progress concludes that no American politician has killed more clean energy than Gov. Jerry Brown — and in ways that often benefited his own family "

http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2018/1/11/jerry-browns-secret-war-on-clean-energy

Jan 15, 2018 at 4:00 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

gc

Jerry Brown is a toxic prat - in ways that ape St. Albert of Gore.

Enron's antics in California are always worth re-reading about.

Jan 15, 2018 at 4:08 PM | Registered Commentertomo

tomo, ENRON also made money out of nothing.

https://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/roots-paris-agreement-part-iii-ken-lay-enron/


“I am writing to urge you to attend the upcoming United Nations Conference on Environment and Development [‘Earth Summit’] scheduled for early June in Brazil and to support the concept of establishing a reasonable, non-binding, stabilization level of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions.”

– Ken Lay [CEO, Enron Corp.] to George H.W. Bush, Letter of April 3, 1992.

“The United States fully intends to be the world’s preeminent leader in protecting the global environment. Environmental protection makes growth sustainable…. [This] recognition … by leaders from around the world is the central accomplishment of this important [United Nations] Rio Conference.”

– George H. W. Bush, “News Conference in Rio de Janeiro

Jan 15, 2018 at 5:49 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

One has to wonder what's going on with stuff like this.

There must be more to the story ... if it's the Federal jobsworths plucking low hanging fruit - eventually there will be trouble.

We have seen immigration officials overstepping the mark of what most would regard as reasonable behavior already in the UK deporting people who've been here for years supporting themselves without any issue beyond not having filed residence paperwork...

Jan 16, 2018 at 1:34 AM | Registered Commentertomo

tomo, Delingpole on Trump and Iran

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/14/james-delingpole-trump-making-world-great-one-shithole-time/

Sadly, I don't think the Republican Guard are not ready to be swayed by Iranian public opinion yet, they have too much private enterprise at stake.

Jan 16, 2018 at 10:49 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

A rare sighting of the Gwen double negative in all its glory!

Jan 16, 2018 at 11:47 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll