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"Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked.
- Warren Buffet.

Apr 17, 2020 at 11:37 PM Phil Clarke"

Drain the swamp.

I deplore the politicisation of Covid-19, and I am on the Phil Clarke regarding Trump, since I regard Trump as an unpleasant and narcissistic half-wit. But, with the epicentre of Covid-19 in the US being in Democrat-controlled New York, why are the Covid-19 numbers in New York Trump's fault, rather than the fault of the Democrats?

Probably the truth is that New York city (as opposed to the state) sees people living cheek-by-jowl and travelling extensively on tightly-packed public transport - much the reason why London has been the epicentre in the UK. I repeat - the politicisation of this crisis is deeply distasteful.

"I deplore the politicisation of Covid-19, and I am on the Phil Clarke regarding Trump, since I regard Trump as an unpleasant and narcissistic half-wit. But, with the epicentre of Covid-19 in the US being in Democrat-controlled New York, why are the Covid-19 numbers in New York Trump's fault, rather than the fault of the Democrats?
Apr 18, 2020 at 8:37 AM Mark Hodgson"

Because anything bad that happens must be blamed on Trump and Global Warming. Anything Trump does or suggests must be opposed by the unpleasant arrogant full-twits.

Trump is pushing to get people back to work asap, as are some other EU Countries. Trump is therefore portrayed as "reckless", whereas those in the EU are "progressive".

The overcrowded Subway/Underground train services shared by millions every day in London and New York are designed for the rapid transmission and distribution of viruses without regard to wealth, social class or ethnicity. I would guess that New York and London also have the biggest Immune Herds as a result, but without testing, nobody knows.

I haven't watched the video, the summary is by Guido Fawkes

https://order-order.com/2020/04/18/must-watch-swedish-epidemiologist-lays-swedens-thinking-video/

"This interview by Freddie Sayers of Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, who is an advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Sweden’s strategy), is worth 35 minutes of your lockdown viewing time. He lays out Sweden’s thinking"

"The flattening of the curve we are seeing now is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
UK policy on lockdown and in other European countries is not evidence-based
The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product”
The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished, non-peer-reviewed paper have so much policy impact
Is dismissive of the 510,000 figure that was predicted if mitigation measures were not implemented
The Imperial College paper was much too pessimistic and did not factor in the now much increased ICU capacity
Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway, taking no account of real world specifics
The results will eventually be similar for all countries
Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 will in all likelihood turn out to be in the region of 0.1%
At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will likely be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available
His Swedish blunt logic is not an eccentricity, he was the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO. Guido increasingly thinks we need to move towards “climbing down the rungs” of lockdown. This eminent epidemiologist makes a convincing case that this 3 week extension should be the last unless and until there is a second wave…"

Posted by Pcar on timworstall.com

"Coronacrisis shows that European Union is SICK! German MEP Beck warns European Parliament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGlqNx4QCbo

Brilliant……we need more guys like this Gunnar Beck. But, nobody is listening, look at all those empty seats, MEPs at home receiving nice wages

Meanwhile: Here we are in the UK locked down getting harassed from police if you sit on a park bench in the sun, being told to get back in your house when sitting in the garden yet they fly in hundreds of of European workers for farm work? No tests or checks either! WTF is going on? British workers will do farm work after all many are sitting at home penniless"

How to get PPE in the UK:

https://www.drapersonline.com/business-operations/i-had-to-bypass-nhs-to-make-ppe-for-hospitals/7040167.article

"However, all along it has been our greatest wish to get back to work and support the NHS. How difficult could it be to help in a meaningful way and get PPE to where it was needed? The answer is much more difficult than we ever imagined. For weeks, our efforts have been frustrated by the slow, centralised procurement system.

My first conversation about supplying the NHS was on 16 March. Since then, I have been contacted by NHS Supply Chain Coordination, Deloitte, the Crown Commercial Service [which provides commercial services to the public sector] and the government – but frustratingly, none of these discussion have amounted to anything.

It became apparent to me that the centralised NHS governance is simply not agile enough to react effectively in a crisis. So, while becoming more and more frustrated, we took the decision to sidestep the bureaucracy, bypass the central system and began a dialogue with our local hospitals."

Russiagate stuff:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/house-gop-probes-cias-role-in-2016-trump-russia-investigation-rep-nunes-says_3318372.html

"“My own view is that the evidence shows that we’re not dealing with just mistakes or sloppines,” he said. “There was something far more troubling here. And we’re going to get to the bottom of it. And if people broke that law and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted.”

Barr said that the FBI had no basis for starting the Russia probe and that President Trump has had “every right to be frustrated” about it.

“I think what happened to him has been one of the greatest travesties in American history. Without any basis, they started this investigation of his campaign. And even more concerning, actually, is what happened after the campaign, a whole pattern of events while he was president … to sabotage the presidency. … or at least had the effect of sabotaging the presidency,” he said."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/senators-ask-fbi-director-to-provide-all-records-on-crossfire-hurricane_3315802.html

"Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a report (pdf) on Dec. 9 that found 17 “significant inaccuracies and omissions” in the application and renewals for the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant that the FBI used to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page."

“We are deeply troubled by the Crossfire Hurricane team’s awareness of and apparent indifference to Russian disinformation, as well as by the grossly inaccurate statements by the FBI official in charge of the investigation and its supervisory intelligence analyst,” the senators wrote."

Wrong thread

On tomo's "Zut!" item:

http://thejewishvoice.com/2020/04/2008-nobel-prize-for-medicine-winning-dr-luc-montagnier-says-covid-19-was-manipulated-for-hiv-research/

and

https://www.europeanscientist.com/en/big-data/no-sars-cov-2-does-not-contain-hiv-genetic-code/

tomo - I agree a debate/discussion between them would helpful - some of the comments at europeanscientist suggest that Lacoude is missing critical points. Not my subject by a long way, so I'm only passing it on.

stewgreen - Oxford Uni's CEBM published this European view of the covid deaths:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-tracking-european-mortality/

Open question:

Does anybody have a view on the apparent lack of impact of covid-19 on the Greek refuge camps?

I've seen a couple of reports of cases and several early reports of fears over the camps' vulnerability to viral spread yet (thankfully) I've not seen anything showing that the early fears are being realised.

Does anybody have any reliable data on the covid situation in the camps? Apologies if this comes up with a quick Google - if so I'm using the wrong terms!

"Does anybody have any reliable data on the covid situation in the camps? Apologies if this comes up with a quick Google - if so I'm using the wrong terms!

Apr 21, 2020 at 5:35 PM not banned yet"

There is a worldwide shortage of reliable data concerning Coronavirus. The sources most likely to be releasing data are the aid agencies and charities if they still have operational staff.