Lieutenant George:
Permission for lip to wobble, sir?

General Melchett:
Permission granted.

https://www.quotes.net/mquote/688596

CNN
"An FBI lawyer who worked on the surveillance warrant of former Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page plans to plead guilty Friday to making a false statement in an email as part of an investigation into the Russia investigation.

Kevin Clinesmith plans to admit to one charge of altering an email to another official in 2017 that said Page wasn't a previous government source, when he had been one.

Clinesmith had also been critical of President Donald Trump when he worked for the FBI."

Well guys and gulls, what do we think of the Prez and his trophy wife registering for a postal vote in Florida? Does he believe in the system or not? Or is it just in the rust-belt states that postal ballots are rotten and need to be suppressed?

Even The Guardian admit some naughtiness

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/14/trump-russia-fbi-lawyer-clinesmith-guilty-plea

But they have to conclude with this:

"Mueller found significant contacts during the 2016 campaign between Russians and Trump associates but did not allege a criminal conspiracy between them. He also examined multiple episodes in which Trump sought to affect or thwart the Russia investigation, but he did not reach a conclusion on whether Trump had obstructed justice."

" Barr quickly signaled his skepticism about the Russia investigation, concluding that Trump had not obstructed justice even though Mueller had pointedly left that question unresolved."

Is The Guardian now realising that obstructing further miscarriages of justice is not a crime, but conspiring to create miscarriages of justice is? Mueller was tasked to investigate Trump, not those investigating Trump.

Aug 15, 2020 at 10:49 AM AK
He has one vote, and can use it wherever US Law allows him to, of his own free will. His wife has the same rights and can exercise them independent of him without interference.

If they are both confident that their individual votes will end up registering for the candidates they chose to vote for, there is no problem.

The rust belts rejected Hillary of their own free wills, just as Labour's Red Wall collapsed in 2019, and probably for the same reasons.

Oh it’s not that GC. It’s the continued comments from the Prez about why postal voting is fraudulent and should be suppressed. I suppose their postal votes are OK because, naturally, only Democratic postal voters do it fraudulently.

Covert filming notwithstanding, actual substantiated examples of voter fraud in the US are extraordinarily rare, perhaps because the offence carries a penalty of a $10,000 fine and up to five years in jail. Hardly worth the risk. Photo ID would only prevent impersonation fraud at the ballot box which is more rare than getting struck by lightning.

Case studies from the University of New York School of Law report linked above:

Missouri In some ways, the recent hunt for voter fraud began in Missouri in the 2000 election, the crucible that proved formative for Attorney General John Ashcroft and Senator Kit Bond, among others. Yet despite all the frenzy, the allegations yielded only six substantiated cases of Missouri votes cast by ineligible voters, knowingly or unknowingly, except for those votes permitted by court order. The six cases were double votes by four voters—two across state lines and two within Missouri—amounting to an overall rate of 0.0003%. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls.

New Jersey Just before the 2005 election, partisan actors attempted to probe the accuracy of New Jersey’s voter rolls by comparing election records for 2004 with death records and with the rolls of other states. The allegations yielded only eight substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted—eight voters who voted twice. Given the number of votes cast in these elections, this amounts to a rate of 0.0004%. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls.

Wisconsin The 2004 election was hotly contested in Wisconsin, and various irregularities led to inflated claims of widespread fraud. The allegations yielded only seven substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted—all persons with felony convictions. This amounts to a rate of 0.0025% within Milwaukee and 0.0002% within the state as a whole. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls.

Trump's unevidenced claims of 'massive' mail fraud are just the same old, same old.

Then there's this.

A database of election fraud reports maintained by the conservative Heritage Foundation reports approximately 1,200 allegations of voter fraud – for which there were 1,100 criminal convictions – for voter fraud since 2000.

Of those, only 204 allegations, and 143 convictions, involved mail-in ballots. That is a tiny fraction of the roughly 250 million mail-in ballots cast over those two decades. In addition, problems are extremely rare in states that rely primarily on vote by mail.

Source

Then of course there is the Prez’s requesting a postal vote, while at the same time threatening to ban legislation to increase funding for the postal service because “it would encourage postal voting (and thus voter fraud). Interesting dynamics.

"I suppose their postal votes are OK because, naturally, only Democratic postal voters do it fraudulently.

Aug 15, 2020 at 11:57 AM AK"

In the UK, Labour's Left Wing and Minority groups seem to have dominated formal investigations into voter fraud at Elections.

Unfortunately for Labour, the wrong people learned lessons from this debacle, that are still playing out today:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Labour_Party_Falkirk_candidate_selection

The Guardian got it right, so did Mandelson, but few foresaw how bad it would become
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/05/ed-miliband-trade-unions

"Miliband said Unite – Labour's largest financial backer – had abused the scheme. He told Channel 4 News: "We have ended the scheme, which was frankly abused in particular by Unite, the union, in Falkirk."

"The row, which has created the gravest crisis for Miliband since he was elected Labour leader in 2010, led to the suspension of Unite's favoured candidate for Falkirk, Karie Murphy. The Falkirk party chairman, Stephen Deans, was also suspended. Murphy, a former Unison official, runs the parliamentary office of Tom Watson, who resigned as the party's general election co-ordinator on Thursday."

Miliband told the BBC: "I am angry about this. I am incredibly angry about what has happened. Certain people have let down this party and I am not going to let it happen."

"In May 2013 whilst speaking at the annual Progress conference, former MP and business secretary Lord Mandelson claimed that a cabal at the top of the NEC were trying to exert influence, and warned Labour Party leader Ed Miliband that he "was storing up danger for himself and for a future Labour government over parliamentary selections".[5]"

Cough

Cough

Aug 15, 2020 at 2:23 PM Phil Clarke

You already have a fixation for high temperatures, please isolate yourself

Absolutely amazing. We are discussing allegations of vote fraud via postal voting in the USA, and the Prez’s reactions to it, when out of the far, far left field comes a contribution about fraud in the Labour candidate selection at Falkirk. Here is a discussion allegedly about Trump, so where’s the connection? Different country, different type of election, different electorate, different people involved. I fail to see any relevance, other than postal votes occurred. Yes it demonstrates that fraud can occur during elections involving postal voting. But most people know this. What is debatable is whether postal voting increases fraud substantially (as the Prez opines). Fraud occurs regardless of the type of voting involved - ask the Belorussians.

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Nobody seems to have told Joe

Aug 15, 2020 at 3:43 PM AK
Political Parties that indulge in wiretapping their political opponents, inventing evidence and framing people are more likely to indulge in voter fraud. On that basis, the Democrats are guilty.

In this place you are apparently guilty of voter fraud if you are accused of other crimes/misdeeds. Were the Republicans then guilty when Nixon was Prez? Such a stupid claim; are you getting desperate?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/15/fact-check-nj-ballot-fraud-case-doesnt-signal-national-trouble/5493078002/